Steve_DC

Flo-Po- Thanks for taking the time to carefully explain how to address my problem. It now works great. To find all the different channels (I had two -- Channel 1 and Channel 4), I used the command to find the same channel in the Event List: Shift-H. This does raise a question that has always puzzled me about Logic: How come, as you compose a song and move Midi events from track to track, you wind up with DIFFERENT channels in the same track (event though the track inspector on the left specifies a MIDI Channel for a track), yet ALL the notes, from different channels within the Region, play over the designated MIDI Channel in the track inspector? What are those different channels, WITHIN a Region, for, other than, as you have explained to me, using them to set up Score staff? Again, a BIG Thanks Flo-Po, you saved me a lot of work. Steve

I'm having a related problem, trying to get one set of notes on a separate staff (though it will be bass as well), using the piano, polyphonic staff style. The first screen shot accurately reflects the notes as shown in the piano roll, but I want the top two notes to appear in the clef above (which I will change to a bass clef, because they are so low). In this screen shot, the channel for each clef is set a "0". The second screen shot shows what happens when I switch to chan "1" for the treble and "3" for the bass. As you can see, the top two sets of notes are disappearing and only the bottom two disappear, and those bottom two notes are placed in the treble clef. As a result, I cannot use the voice separation tool to assign channels, because I am missing one set of notes I am trying to separate. The should appear above the notes in the second example, but they are mysteriously gone. When I play the piece, however, the notes are still there and sound. Any suggestions? Steve

You poor soul! As between Logic and VE Pro 5, VE Pro 5 is easier to use, if that helps. To get started, first start VE Pro Server from your OSX applications folder. You should start it running before you start Logic. Next start Logic and open a new project To the far left of the Arrange window (the main window) and toward the bottom you will see "I/O". Click and HOLD one of the square blank bars underneath "I/O", and a menu will open up. Drag your mouse down the menu until you reach "AU Instruments" toward the bottom. A sub-menu will open up to the right, slide over to VSL, then another sub-menu where you will see VE Pro. Click on that. The "Server Interface" will open up. (Almost done!) Click on "Connect" at the bottom of the Server Interface window and you will see something like "127.0.0.1 localhost [64] (NEW)". Click on that and then click "Connect" again. The VE Pro Mixer will then open up! This is where you add your VSL Instruments and other instruments, such as Kontakt. To add your first instrument in the VE Pro Mixer, click on the VI Pro or VI icon at the bottom left, and one will open up. This will get you started. You should also view the several videos available on the VSL website. You have already found the best forum for Logic questions, and the main author of this forum has written a helpful book on Logic which you should also probably buy, although you are mainly going to work with instrument samples, so you might wait a bit on the book purchase. Good luck. It's a STEEP, difficult learning curve ahead, but you will get there, and you are in the right place for help. Steve

Nigel -- Great step by step explanation which I have found easy to follow. I have mine set up right so far, except for the need to turn off Wi-Fi. Perhaps this could be made a sticky so others can benefit from it. Looking forward to Part 2, and thanks for your work. Steve

Dave -- Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions, and confusion, as it turns out. I have misunderstood the operation of the check boxes and channel selection menus under "View." To explain -- as I have done, one can create a "Hyper Set" containing only the control values one wants to vary in order to control an instrument beyond notes that are played. For a multi-timbral instrument, if using the SEPARATE Hyper Editor window (CMD-5), UNCHECK BOTH the Channel and Number boxes. In this way, as one scrolls through the tracks (and their associated channels for the multi-timbral instrument), the Hyper Editor WILL automatically update for that particular track, showing your various controller values. If using the Hyper Editor that appears in the lower part of the Arrange Window (the same area where the Piano Roll appears), in the Inspector to the left (which will change when you select Hyper Editor), again UNCHECK the Channel and Number boxes and the Arrange Window version of the Hyper Editor will update as you scroll through Tracks. If using Hyper Draw as part of the Piano Roll Window within the Arrange Window (activated by the very small box just above the word "Mixer" when the Piano Roll is visible, in the local menu just above the Piano Roll, select View-Hyper Draw-Channel-Any. Since Hyper Draw only works with one Controller at a time (such as Volume), you must select which Value, such as Volume, you want to edit. This latter function is achieved by using either the local menu above the Piano Roll (View-Hyper Draw-(selected Control Value from the drop down list), or, alternatively, clicking on the small downward pointing arrow just to the left of the Hyper Draw window (which you have just opened in the Piano Roll), and using the menu that appears to select ANY channel, and then the preferred control item, such as Volume. My confusion was in the use of the check boxes and the concept of "ANY". The discussion of these parameters is minimal in the Reference Manual, and one might assume, as I did, that to SEE something, you check the box. Not so. Instead, one selects a SPECIFIC channel (regardless of the Track you might be on) by clicking on the check boxes and making the choice of channel and number. In such case, there is no automatic update to the particular Track you are working on. For automatic update as you select Tracks, or "linking" as I put it, leave the boxes UNCHECKED, and select "ANY" as your channel choice. One final point, the Hyper Editor follows Tracks, not Regions, so to view the Hyper Editor controls for a particular Region, select its Track. It does not matter whether the Region is selected or not; the Hyper Editor still shows the control values for the selected Track. This is confusing, because in the Piano Editor notes only appear for a Track when Regions are selected. Since so-called "Hyper" data (the other stuff that ALSO controls the instrument) is part of the total package, it would seem the Hyper values as well should only appear when a Region is selected. Recall that Regions are characterized as holding boxes for MIDI data, which would include Notes and other things that tell an instrument what to do. To quote the Logic Reference Manual itself: "What Are Regions? Audio and MIDI data handling is very similar in the Arrange area, via rectangular blocks called regions. These blocks are graphical representations of data. Audio regions represent audio data. MIDI regions represent MIDI data." Except for control values, as it turns out. Steve

Dave -- Here you see the problem in the attached screen grab. I have selected a Region that is set to Midi Channel 3 (parameter values under "Inst 3"), I created a Hyper Set called "VSL CC Controls" which lists the CCs I want to use to control the multi-timbral software instrument. The "Number" of the Parameter Box correctly shows "1" for the Modulation control. However, the Channel displayed is "2", not "3" . The Link icon in the Hyper Editor shows yellow in color, so there should be a link to Channel 3, not Channel 2. The Notes for this Channel 3 Region and channel ARE correctly displayed in the Piano Roll. I get the same result (Channel 2) whether the Channel Check box is unchecked (as shown in the screen grab) or checked. I read the Logic 9 manual to say that if the box is NOT checked, then ANY midi Control data from ANY channel will show in the Modulation lane (row) in the Hyper Editor. So if I want to see CC control numbers for a specific channel I should check the box. In other words, it doesn't link to the correct channel. Steve

David -- thanks for your reply. BTW, I have your excellent training book . Its monkey-see-monkey-do approach, coupled with the theory behind what you are doing on the screen, with lots of screen grabs, helps a great deal in figuring out how to use the program. HOWEVER A bit more background on my particular program challenge - each instrument (in each channel) has different articulations. Some have only two, others have perhaps 20. So I must use a different setting for each instrument if I use the same Channel Control number (CC#) to control a given movement on the instrument. I have already, as you suggested in your reply, created ONE Hyper Set for all the CCs that I want to use. In this way I don't have to memorize different CCs for different instruments. All of them use CC#7 for Volume, for example. I use the same set of CCs for each instrument, then, but a given CC# will have different values (1 - 127) on each instrument. It is this Hyper Set that I would like to automatically link to the particular Region (and channel) I have selected and am editing. If I understand your reply, I am basically stuck with changing the Channel number in the Parameter Box to the left of the Arrange window -- there is no automatic update (linking) possible, what I will call Plan A. This is difficult to use, because the TINY channel numbers have to be HELD and DRAGGED to get the correct channel number in the Parameter Box (an it is easy to zip past the number you want). Plan A also has the disadvantage that the small Channel Box next to the number must be checked in order that ONLY CCs for that particular channel are shown in the Hyper Editor (otherwise CC values for the same CC# (1 to 127) from ANY channel will be displayed, and they can be all different for each channel (instrument) as previously explained). Plan B, as I understand you, is to create multiple copy sets (each will be identical except for channel number), and use the drop down menu for selection of Hyper Sets found in the Parameter Box, as the preferred way to switch channels. In other words, I create a bunch of Hyper Sets and select the proper one for a given channel from the drop down menu. This DOES have the advantage that the Drop Down box for Hyper Set definitions is easier to manipulate than the tiny channel numbers (Plan A, above, what I am doing now). If I may be permitted a small rant: Hyper Editor is so named, because, in addition to notes, MIDI recognizes Control Channels that can be used to manipulate instruments PLAYING notes. These pieces of data are Hyper, on top of the notes so to speak. So it will ALWAYS be the case that you will want to manipulate a given instrument, if only to set Volume, for example. Why on earth don't the NOTES and the CONTROL VALUES go together for Each Region, as you want to be able to manipulate the total package, not just Notes? Thus, the Hyper Editor SHOULD automatically update in the same way as it does for Notes. But it does not. End of Rant. Please confirm that I am correctly understanding your suggestion. Also, one other question: how do you COPY a Hyper Set so that I can edit the copy so that it is the same, except for selection of a different channel? This would save a lot of work, making 16 different Hyper Sets. Again, thanks for your reply and your book. Steve

When I use the Piano Roll, and click the Link Icon, the notes for the selected Region appear in the Piano Editor. I would like to have the same behavior occur with the Hyper Editor when using a multi-timbral (multi-channel) instrument. As an example, I am using Vienna Ensemble with several channels below it, each representing a different instrument. I can easily edit notes for each instrument as I click on the Region for the instrument (each having a specific channel, 1 - 16). However, the Hyper Editor, which contains my Control Channel values, which I am using to control the selection of articulations for the instrument in question (for the given channel), does not automatically update to reflect the particular channel I have selected. As a result, I have to MANUALLY select the channel (which I sometimes forget to do) over in the parameter box to the left of the Arrange window, in order to be sure I am editing the correct channel (instrument on that channel). Is there a way to LINK the Hyper Editor to the particular channel (Region) I have selected so that it works in the same for editing as the Piano Roll does for notes? To put it another way, I would like the Hyper Editor to update to the selected channel (instrument) the same way the Piano Roll does. Steve

Eric -- I am having a problem with Vienna Instruments Pro using the "Automap" mode of my ZERO SL Mk II (i.e., the Automap button on the Mk II is lit). I have Logic 9.1.3 (64 bit) and Automap 3.7. My OS is OSX 10.6.6. I am trying to Use the SL Mk II to control the Vienna Instruments Pro (Version 1.1.7553, the latest), using the "wrapped" Vienna Instruments Pro plug-in that appears in the Automap plug-in manager. No luck. Automap works fine in Automap mode with Kontakt 4.1 and with, for example, EXS24. The Vienna Instrument Pro plug-in Appears as "Vienna Instruments Pro (Automap)" both as an input option (when I set up in the Software Instrument in Logic as a new track) and when the VIP window opens up (that language appears at the bottom of the window). So I appear to be using the wrapped version of VIP. Do you have any suggestions? What I can't figure is why the VIP appears as an AU plug-in in the plug-in manager, and yet it doesn't work. Using the "Advanced" mode of the SL Mk II, that is with the Automap button dark, I have been able to create a template for the VIP and send MIDI commands to the unit, using the "Learn" function of the SL MK II. But this approach is not taking advantage of the "wrapped" AU plug-ins in the Plug-In manager. Thanks. Steve