EVB3 attack

[ensemble]

hello all,

I wanna use this thing cause I need nice Organ sounds. fact is I don't know anything about drawbars and actually wonder if I really want to know this anyway..

Now I found a sound and the only thing I want to achieve with this organ sound is to alter it's attack. How do I achieve this herer? Ther is no ADSR envelopes etc.

Thanks for reading.

ens

[shivermetimbers]

hello all,

I wanna use this thing cause I need nice Organ sounds. fact is I don't know anything about drawbars and actually wonder if I really want to know this anyway..

Now I found a sound and the only thing I want to achieve with this organ sound is to alter it's attack. How do I achieve this herer? Ther is no ADSR envelopes etc.

Thanks for reading.

ens

Let's not forget about a sustain pedal while we are at it.


listen to this link and read this link



"...Desecration (also called desacralization or desanctification) is the act of depriving something of its sacred character -- or the disrespectful or contemptuous treatment of that which is held to be sacred by a group or individual."

[Jazzooo]

Get thee a volume/expression pedal to use with your controller keyboard. THat's how organs do it, and that's how you'll get your EVB3 to sound like one.

[sozomuse]

Read the Percussion section of the EVB3 in Logic Studio Instruments and Effects Help manual. Then season to taste with your favorite drawbar settings.

You'll find out how an early ADSR (kind of) works.

[ensemble]

Thanks guys. I said I didn't wanna know but offcourse I did want that so I read all that stuff you gave me. It took me a while but now I know at least the basic parameters of the EVB3. Strange thing about it is that there is a sustain section but that's it. No attack parameter at all! At least I found out that you can alter the click parameter but that's not exactly what I need. I just want an adjustable attack. And yes I know there are enough alternatives to reach my goal but I want to learn it on the EVB3, that is much cooler:)

cheers again

ens

[ski]

"...Desecration (also called desacralization or desanctification) is the act of depriving something of its sacred character -- or the disrespectful or contemptuous treatment of that which is held to be sacred by a group or individual."

So touchy! GAH! Organ purists... So here's the deal, Shiv... next time I catch you using any sampled acoustic instrument in a track you're gonna find (insert appropriate musician's union) members picketing in front of your house. And remember, once a molotov cocktail hits the living room curtains it's all over.

[shivermetimbers]

"...Desecration (also called desacralization or desanctification) is the act of depriving something of its sacred character -- or the disrespectful or contemptuous treatment of that which is held to be sacred by a group or individual."

So touchy! GAH! Organ purists... So here's the deal, Shiv... next time I catch you using any sampled acoustic instrument in a track you're gonna find (insert appropriate musician's union) members picketing in front of your house. And remember, once a molotov cocktail hits the living room curtains it's all over.

Any acoustic (or electric) instrument that gets recorded automatically becomes 'sampled,' doesn't it?





Making a synth with ADSR sound like a B3 is alright, but not the other way round.

"... once a molotov cocktail hits the living room curtains it's all over."

Cool! The insurance money will pay for the new studio.

[Ashermusic]

Somethings are wrong because....well...they are wrong. A sustain pedal on a B3 is emulation is just wrong and the perpetrator should be summarily executed.

[ski]

blah... blah... blah... [picture of Jimmy Smith to introduce the guilt factor, blah... blah...]

blaw... blaw... blaw... [note the Bostonian accent]

In which case...

• the keyboard works of Bach should never be performed on piano
• high school band arrangements of excerpts of John Williams' film scores should be illegal and punishable by death
• drum notation should be written out explicitly and without the use of "non-standard" shortcuts (that's an inside joke for Jay)
• and blah blah blah...

[Ashermusic]

blah... blah... blah... [picture of Jimmy Smith to introduce the guilt factor, blah... blah...]

blaw... blaw... blaw... [note the Bostonian accent]

In which case...

• the keyboard works of Bach should never be performed on piano
• high school band arrangements of excerpts of John Williams' film scores should be illegal and punishable by death
• drum notation should be written out explicitly and without the use of "non-standard" shortcuts (that's an inside joke for Jay)
• and blah blah blah...

its a matter of degree. Picking your nose is disgusting but not that bad an offense. But a sustain pedal on a B3 is a mortal sin. Death to anyone who does so!

[shivermetimbers]

blah... blah... blah... [picture of blah, blah, blah......]

blaw... blaw... blaw... [note the Bostonian accent]

In which case... blah blah blah...

its a ... blah, blah,blah...

"I'll explain it to you one more time P. Diddy ... No, that is not a switch for Appregiate! No, you cannot modify this instrument to be a Vocoder! No, there has never been and will never be ADSR controls. Pulling those drawbars out will make youe organ sound bigger, Not look bigger!

"SUSTAIN PEDAL??? - I mean, WTF is wrong with Thee???"

[ensemble]

LOL I know enough... It was a pleasure to post this thread. Why do I want an adsr anyway? hmmm, time for sushi!

[ski]

Picking your nose...

God bless Raymond Spum...

[ski]

"SUSTAIN PEDAL??? - I mean, WTF is wrong with Thee???"

You win! ROFLMFAO!!!!!!

[sozomuse]

Hilarious! Didn't realize ya'll were such creative conservatives.

[jschmidtiii]

Hi all,

I'm afraid I'm still having trouble with the initial concept I used the organ with a preset but there is a clicking at each attack. I usually fix this by raising the attack a notch in the adsr envelope, but as was mentioned the evb3 doesn't have one! I checked out the percussion section like sozomuse suggested, but I didn't see anything there that would solve my problem. Sozomuse, how does affecting the drawbars have the effect of an adsr? Also Shivers, how does sustain fit into this? Is it a possible remedy? Is there some manual equivalent to raising the adsr attack a notch that would eliminate my clicking? Thanks!

[jschmidtiii]

Every time I have a problem I try to fix it by myself for 20 minutes, post in a forum, and then figure it out by myself within the next 5. I turns out there is a "click" knob on the organ that allows you to determine how much it has that immediate attack 'click'. That's the weirdest feature. Why would anyone want that?

[ski]

Because it's a natural part of the sound.

[shivermetimbers]

Every time I have a problem I try to fix it by myself for 20 minutes, post in a forum, and then figure it out by myself within the next 5. I turns out there is a "click" knob on the organ that allows you to determine how much it has that immediate attack 'click'. That's the weirdest feature. Why would anyone want that?

Look in your Logic Instrument manual.

edit:
"...EVB3 Click Parameters
The key contacts of electromechanical tonewheel organs tend to saw a little on the busbar, thus introducing a short click sound. If any corrosion occurs to the key contacts or busbar, this will increase the length, and level, of this click. This aspect of the B3’s design causes irregular scratching noises (commonly referred to as key click) when striking and releasing keys. Hammond fans like these clicking noises, as they introduce a transient, percussive quality to the note.

The EVB3 allows you to adjust the volume and sound of the key click. The tonal color and volume of clicks are altered randomly, and independently, from the click on and click off (release) volume settings.

You can use the Click On and Click Off knobs (in the silver section above the Condition parameters) to independently control the click volume for the beginning (Click On), and release of the note (Click Off). The click off is quieter, even if both controls are set to the same value, as this mirrors the behavior of the original instrument. "

[David]

Why would anyone want that?

Because it's a natural part of the sound.

And the EVB3 is a physical modeling plug-in: it simulates the natural sound of a real, physical Hammond B3 organ.