David wrote:Any particular reason you want to connect a mixer?
What I really want to do is live recording. So, this is my question,if I get rid of the mixer how am I going to do the mixing? I have a Tascam US1800 8-Channel USB 2.0
as a user interface and Logic Pro 9
In my honest humble opinion do not get rid of the mixer, use it to its full capacity, its a wonderful tool created for making music sing!
I found a Soundcraft 600 series mixer that has been modified by Jim Williams of Audio Upgrades of California for a very reasonable price a couple of years ago.
My point is there are many out there getting rid of there mixers just like they got rid of there analog synthesizers when the digital ones first came on the market.
Now first off a cheap mixer is still a cheap mixer and I would stay with Logic then. However if your looking hard enough you can find a great analog mixer within your budget that will get you the results your looking for.
Judas- I get your point, mostly because when your recording your wanting to fine tune the mix later on, since firstly its difficult to tell how the mix sounds isolated from the room that you are amplifying a live band in.
However, lets not forget that analog mixing still has its roots in the real world and does have some benefits as opposed from a digital mix.
Now first off, an analog mixer is still a very useful tool in the hands of a professional. Not all mixers are created equal. In fact they are very heavy, have complex circuits and are generally expensive and require usually dozens of cables going in and out of the recorder/interface and all other boxes that do a job.
Every component in an audio system adds to its complexity and its noise. Most guys, myself included, want the simplicity of a small portable system and find it hard to believe that analog mixing is worth the effort. But if you really know the difference you may disagree with the mainstream way of thinking which is to forget the analog mixer and its components all together.
If you take a look at the average audio interface and its A/D components there is commonly very little circuitry involved to color the signal path going to disk. This is the way it should be and is appreciated by most. However once we have a digital signal and it is summed inside the software we have a phenomena that is not easily seen by the eye. I believe there is a digital summing engine programmed into Logic. The summing of the parts is done in a digital buss. The main benefit to this is that there is no artifacts present to increase the noise of the mix and everything is generally very quiet and predictable. Also, all of your levels, pans, effects buses, plugins and virtual instruments are then easily automated as well. I know for a fact that if you have a Metric Halo interface with the DSP option you are getting a much more highly developed mixing engine than what you get with the Logic software. Don't quote me on this but I think its much better.
Professional analog circuitry certainly does have a rich complexity that cannot be emulated easily. Although we have seen a huge leap in performance with CPU's and very creative programming we still see most sounds are trying to emulate the sounds of yesterday.
The one thing that is so important to realize about the personal computer is that indeed it has come to dominate recording today, however that does not mean that its better or more artistic and evolved than its analog ancestors, its simply just a different way of working. It was once said :
"To make haste is to make waste"
FlipFlopRob wrote:Hi guys, I've just recently got a new Macbook Pro 15 inch with Logic Pro
I was wondering how I would set up my mixing desk with it?
I know this is an old post, but I'm going to answer it anyway.
Believe it or not the New Macbook Pro 15 and 17 now both have an spdif 24/96 low latency digital input and output built right into the computer via mini toslink jacks. The 13in Macbook pro only has the output. Yeah, you got that right a optical digital signal going in there FAST! I have tested this puppy to work down to less than 2ms of latency! Amazing! If all you want is two ins and outs of audio then all you need is an A/D + D/A converter/s of decent quality.
Macbook Pro 2.2ghz Quad core, 16G ram HD's 500int esata xpressCard 500ext/750ext , Logic Studio 9.1.8, Os 10.6.8/10.8.4 LPX, Mainstage 3/ 10.9 GBX Unitor 8 mkII, Mackie C4pro/Onyx Blackbird, PreSonus FireStudio/Digimax FS/ Warm Audio WA12x2