Unresponsive Logic 9.1.x+10.7.x & 10.8.x [SOLVED in 10.8.3?]

[ski]

.......ski 2009......quaaludes......

Where'd ya drag up that quote from? LOLOL!

In a previous post you asked what year MPB my programmer was using... it was a 2008.

Cheers

[DaveRobinson]

As i said upgrading video cards doesn't improve something! Even Macbook Retina users have this issue!

@Dave : MacBookPro5,5

Thanks hypnotic, lots, to digest on this thread!

[DaveRobinson]

Hi ski,
Down in the basement here with the bugs n all,
We'd like to see some of the issues the guys in the top forums are having [Solved]
Theres a "Cull" happening, Still sussing it out, The Model number of the MBP is important,
This model and my setup/config is working, trying to find out why at the minute.

Keep those reports coming, love reading them, like them fixed.

Users that follow your tutorials know the bugs you report, others hardly use the score,
getting settled on the best osx/logic system is going to be a fine line after these changes are finalised.
We're going to need lots of HowTo's to help some revert.
Also Thinking Automation and Read/Write fits in big time here, still working on it.

[Chrishollis]

More people with this issue...

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-co ... litch.html

[DaveRobinson]

Was just about to post this!

EricBradley wrote: Logic mlr-frontline
Do you have any 3rd party graphic drivers installed on your system?
Like AirParrot or AirDisplay..
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Thanks for the link!
This is playing a major part in many issues and crashes in the past on the forum.

edit:
Also wondering if Novation Automap is somehow buffering or protecting my graphics somehow?
It's the only thing added to this system,. plugins removed on SL before Lion ML upgrade?
Remnants of old removed software is involved, cleaning up,. backup,. then upgrade, helps..

[n6smith]

More people with this issue...

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-co ... litch.html

Thanks Chrishollis... and from comments in there, this issue also affects Cubase users so that kind of rules out Logic as being the cause.

Additional: I'm also seeing similar comments regarding ML and FCP on another forum... and I myself, had a similar issue this morning with ML on my test non music setup using Photoshop where the interface would become unresponsive for short periods of time... in a similar manner to those reporting issues with non responsiveness with Logic..so again, this would appear to rule out Logic as being at fault but rather some issue with OSX that is the root cause of these GUI issues...

Looking more and more like we need a ML fix..... to resolve these issues.

[DaveRobinson]

I also have a mid 2009 MacBook Pro that is also experiencing the GUI issue since upgrading to ML. I have 8gb RAM and a single 250gb SSD installed, with Logic 9.1.7. I only use this for quick demos and rough ideas, but it does have quite a few third party plug ins installed.

On my main machine, a 2008 MacPro, I upgraded a separate internal disk to ML and didn't install any third party plug ins or any other apps other than what is installed with the system. I installed Logic 9 from the original DVD and upgraded to 9.1.7 through the app store. Same problem with the Logic GUI lag unfortunately, running a minimal installation of the OS and Logic with no third party software other than an Apogee Duet driver.

Although I agree that there are many, many potential conflicts with other applications and drivers when upgrading an operating system it does seem that there is definitely a problem with the OS in this case. On my test drive in the MacPro everything worked flawlessly, until I upgraded to Mountain Lion. Opening three Logic EQ windows with the analyser on high resolution is enough to introduce a noticeable lag, with only a couple of tracks playing and no third party plug ins. It's a shame because otherwise everything else seems noticeably faster - booting up, opening windows and Safari all feel a bit zippier, but Logic is the opposite

Is it a possibility that the video card is the difference between machines that are affected and those that are not? My MacPro has an ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with 256mb, while the MacBook Pro has an NVIDIA GeForce 9400M also with 256mb.

Spiralsurfer, sorry about the delay, mid 2009 MacBook Pro here also
if you post your Model name i'll compare specs with this one,
Could be about 32bit graphics card support removal in Lion ML?

[Spiralsurfer]

Additional: I'm also seeing similar comments regarding ML and FCP on another forum... and I myself, had a similar issue this morning with ML on my test non music setup using Photoshop where the interface would become unresponsive for short periods of time... in a similar manner to those reporting issues with non responsiveness with Logic..so again, this would appear to rule out Logic as being at fault but rather some issue with OSX that is the root cause of these GUI issues...
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I found this earlier, as you mentioned Photoshop seems to be affected as well:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/41 ... 0&tstart=0

Looks like Apple has their work cut out for them with producing a fast 10.8.1 update!

[Chrishollis]

Okay... I THINK I may have had a breakthrough this afternoon...

I've just uninstalled "Air Display" (app that enables you to use iPad as external monitor) and its related drivers, and the glitch SEEMS to have disappeared. I've been constantly tweaking plugins in a session that I know was affected before for the last 5 minutes and not had one freeze.

Can I check if any of the others having this problem here have Air Display or something similar installed? If so - try removing it and see if the problem disappears.

That said, the EQ analyzer still seems to take up way more CPU load than it actually should...

[DaveRobinson]

Okay... I THINK I may have had a breakthrough this afternoon...

I've just uninstalled "Air Display" (app that enables you to use iPad as external monitor) and its related drivers, and the glitch SEEMS to have disappeared. I've been constantly tweaking plugins in a session that I know was affected before for the last 5 minutes and not had one freeze.

Can I check if any of the others having this problem here have Air Display or something similar installed? If so - try removing it and see if the problem disappears.

That said, the EQ analyzer still seems to take up way more CPU load than it actually should...

That's good news to hear, the first ML upgrade "should" settle many issues remaining. hope it does.

[Spiralsurfer]

Spiralsurfer, sorry about the delay, mid 2009 MacBook Pro here also
if you post your Model name i'll compare specs with this one,
Could be about 32bit graphics card support removal in Lion ML?

No worries Dave, the model number is MacBook Pro 5,3 / MB986.

[Chrishollis]

I spoke too soon. The problem is back.

Another thing I've noticed is the CPU when using EXS24 seems pretty screwy too... I'm currently looking at a session with 5 instances of EXS24 and BEFORE I even hit play activity monitor is telling me that logic is using 57% of my available CPU??! That can't be right, surely? What the hell has this ML update done to Logic?!!!

[DaveRobinson]

I spoke too soon. The problem is back.

Another thing I've noticed is the CPU when using EXS24 seems pretty screwy too... I'm currently looking at a session with 5 instances of EXS24 and BEFORE I even hit play activity monitor is telling me that logic is using 57% of my available CPU??! That can't be right, surely? What the hell has this ML update done to Logic?!!!

Lots of EXS24 issues in the last year!
so it's probably related, the cpu spike System error message also.
Logic for ML?. Lion?. or SL?. Big changes for a lot of people,
would be good to know how Logic "App Store" purchased installs are?
Does an upgraded Logic fail,, yet clean installed app store Logic work?

[hypnotik]

i had this kind of problems since Lion 10.7 (that's the topic subject)

1 year after all is getting worse, anyway Ableton live is working great....i don't want to but i hope to say goodbye soon to Logic and his loads of problems since the last year!

[hypnotik]

I spoke too soon. The problem is back.

Another thing I've noticed is the CPU when using EXS24 seems pretty screwy too... I'm currently looking at a session with 5 instances of EXS24 and BEFORE I even hit play activity monitor is telling me that logic is using 57% of my available CPU??! That can't be right, surely? What the hell has this ML update done to Logic?!!!

Lots of EXS24 issues in the last year!
so it's probably related, the cpu spike System error message also.
Logic for ML?. Lion?. or SL?. Big changes for a lot of people,
would be good to know how Logic "App Store" purchased installs are?
Does an upgraded Logic fail,, yet clean installed app store Logic work?

This is something i'd like to know too

[DaveRobinson]

Ableton is nice software enjoy yourself, your posts here, are helping a lot! Thanks!

[DaveRobinson]

Spiralsurfer, sorry about the delay, mid 2009 MacBook Pro here also
if you post your Model name i'll compare specs with this one,
Could be about 32bit graphics card support removal in Lion ML?

No worries Dave, the model number is MacBook Pro 5,3 / MB986.

Spiralsurfer,
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2009) and (15-inch, 2.53 GHz, Mid 2009) - Technical Specifications
MacBookPro15inch-Mid2009

Same year as This machine!
Working with DVD? or App Store versions of Logic? anyone?
The 9400m graphics card is one used on this machine.
The ML upgrade should improve a lot of machines that have got this far!
Cheers!

[hypnotik]

Ableton is nice software enjoy yourself, your posts here, are helping a lot! Thanks!

is it ironic ?

[n6smith]

Does an upgraded Logic fail,, yet clean installed app store Logic work?

No.

My upgraded Logic works fine here

And....

One of my clients reported this morning, a similar issue using a 'straight' from App Store installation... but as it is seemingly a ML issue because Logic is not the only program that is connected with this problem...then that's not surprising..

The 'good' news is that this issue is not limited to Logic itself... (which makes sense given many people are not having this issue in Logic) but other Apps too... so that should cause Apple to work harder/faster to fix this apparent ML/L related issue..

Anyhow, based on the current data and reports coming in, it does seem like the root cause is something to do with ML (and not Logic itself) and possibly the Graphic sub structure,.. (though there are other possible root causes in ML (and maybe certain updates to Lion too) that could affect performance in similar ways) which only affects certain configurations and not all.

So, given it's not Logic itself that's the root cause, those with the issue should post up on the ML forums on Apple's Website to get further help and assistance... and to help best draw attention to this issue.

[DaveRobinson]

Does an upgraded Logic fail,, yet clean installed app store Logic work?

No.

My upgraded Logic works fine here

And....

One of my clients reported this morning, a similar issue using a 'straight' from App Store installation... but as it is seemingly a ML issue because Logic is not the only program that is connected with this problem...then that's not surprising..

The 'good' news is that this issue is not limited to Logic itself... (which makes sense given many people are not having this issue in Logic) but other Apps too... so that should cause Apple to work harder/faster to fix this apparent ML/L related issue..

Anyhow, based on the current data and reports coming in, it does seem like the root cause is something to do with ML (and not Logic itself) and possibly the Graphic sub structure,.. (though there are other possible root causes in ML (and maybe certain updates to Lion too) that could affect performance in similar ways) which only affects certain configurations and not all.

So, given it's not Logic itself that's the root cause, those with the issue should post up on the ML forums on Apple's Website to get further help and assistance... and to help best draw attention to this issue.

It sure is, Lion, and more "ML" upgrades are at the core of these issues, It's an apple fix thats needed.
In the meantime, bug workaround hunting.
Knowing how Logic "Pro" you want the machine to function in relation to Desktop usage is the question?
Your posts cover these points! Thanks! much appreciated.
Where to stop upgrading is the issue, some will like more 'pro' and may have to fall back!
Let's hope the os x and logic upgrades on ML are positive and repair some of the bugs I'm reading here.
I'm learning a lot about this mac, from all the posts, amazing info Thanks!

edit:
"Apple has significantly altered the architecture of the graphics subsystem in Mountain Lion, cleaning up the interface between OpenGL and drivers in order to implement upcoming support for OpenGL 4.2. OS X currently supports version 3.2, and the lack of support for the latest version shows when comparing performance with Windows."
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If your graphics desktop system is up and running ML now!
The final removal of the 32bit graphics support code shouldn't be a problem,
the first upgrade should clear a lot issues today.