Using one virtual instrument to trigger another (sidechain)

[steveH]

And, the side chain input into the ES2 turns the audio into a control envelope by way of an envelope follower. That new envelope can be patched in as a source in the the control matrix to be sent to lots of destinations do all kinds of cool stuff!

[Billy Anachronism]

Hi, I have Logic Express.
I can only select Tracks under Side Chain. Is this feature missing from Logic Express?

Cheers.

[steveH]

You still need to "plug it in" and patch it to a destination in the control matrix along the bottom of the ES2.

[cybercampbell]

And, the side chain input into the ES2 turns the audio into a control envelope by way of an envelope follower. That new envelope can be patched in as a source in the the control matrix to be sent to lots of destinations do all kinds of cool stuff!

Can you explain this in more detail....think this is what i've been searching for.

REF:http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=55131#55131

Cheers
C

[cybercampbell]

Arrhhh!! sorry!!!

silly me...I only saw the second page....All the juicy stuff is on the first...I will go back and read now.

Cheers
C

[merv]

Hi yep I'm with Christopher on this one i followed your instructions exactly 3 or 4 times and sculpture is not triggering ES1. However, thanks for the tip on naming the bus, I have been looking for that for a long time and have even asked the guys on the logic stand at 2 trade shows and they did'nt know, so thanks for that much appreciated.

[Lower1]

my ES1 dosnt seem to have a sidechain option either, any ideas why or am i doing something wrong?

[Deepswing]

This is a very simple audio demonstration of what a bass from ES2 sounds like when sidechained to the EXS24 playing various beats.

Output the beat to a bus, sidechain the ES2 to the bus. Use the matrix router in the ES2 to set Destination = Cutoff, and then Source = Sidechain. Adjust the relevant slider in the matrix and the cutoff button until you get the desired result.

One more I just made: vocal + pad, sounds slightly like vocoder but not quite
http://www.popmusic.dk/temp/vocalpad.mp3

This last example could be reversed, i.e. the pad is up when the vocals not singing, then filtered down when the vocal is up, that'll act a bit like volume ducking but only in the top frequencies.

Hey Lagerfeldt,
I like the overall lush vocal treatments here - (verb & delay?) (for this type of FX).... Could you/would you be so kind as to explain your vocal channel strip settings/plugins?
thanks
Eric

[David]

my ES1 dosnt seem to have a sidechain option either, any ideas why or am i doing something wrong?

Which version of Logic? Express, Pro? 7, 8?

[eDrew]

Does this work in Logic Pro 8 as well? Thanks

[David]

Does this work in Logic Pro 8 as well? Thanks

Yes.

[lagerfeldt]

Hey Lagerfeldt,
I like the overall lush vocal treatments here - (verb & delay?) (for this type of FX).... Could you/would you be so kind as to explain your vocal channel strip settings/plugins?
thanks
Eric

I can't remember exactly but it's just a Logic standard delay and CSR reverb (Hall). I probably sent a bit of delay to the reverb too.

A nice trick is to de-ess on the reverb bus *before* the reverb, i.e. insert a de-esser on the bus followed by the reverb.

Use a de-esser that has broadband capabilities, that sounds most natural.

That avoids the nasty sibilance explosions in the reverb when you want to smear on lots of reverb.

Same trick can be used before the delay.

[fattymatthews]

Hey Guys, cheers for this tip. I've been having good fun experimenting with new sounds. Question: Instead of sending the Sculpture to BUS 9 and side chaining the ES1, is it possible to do the reverse? Set the Sculpture to side chain the ES1 or another plugin? I have had a play around but where would you set the parameters to EXT and then drop the Mix from Wave to Sub in Sculpture?

Hope that makes sense?

[charlierokit]

amazing.thank you : )

[armitage_cake]

How do you use the side chain in Sculpture?

Edit: found the 'external' source for 'object 2'

Is it impossible to have the whole thing being sourced by a sidechain?

[David]

How do you use the side chain in Sculpture?

Edit: found the 'external' source for 'object 2'

Also see:

Sculpture Sidechain with Drum Loop.

Is it impossible to have the whole thing being sourced by a sidechain?

It's possible: just use Obj 2 set on external and turn off the other objects.

[armitage_cake]

How do you use the side chain in Sculpture?

Edit: found the 'external' source for 'object 2'

Also see:

Sculpture Sidechain with Drum Loop.

Is it impossible to have the whole thing being sourced by a sidechain?

It's possible: just use Obj 2 set on external and turn off the other objects.

Right.

What about the ES2? Can't see an 'ext' patch in the oscilator switch

[David]

In the ES2's modulation matrix, you can use "SideCh" as a Source or a Via parameter to modulate the desired destination parameter.

[armitage_cake]

Got it. Thanks.

Are there any other logic synths that can employ this technique?

[David]

Well the ES1 as covered in this thread, the EVOC, which is entirely based around that technique, the EXS24, in the same way as the ES2, and Ultrabeat, with Osc 1 set to "Side Chain".