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[lookatthisguy]

with regard to the retina MBP... I don't quite understand the uproar here (unless we're mourning the end of the 17" line).

The fastest 15"-er according to GeekBench is not the retina version, but the "regular one", the one with user-upgradeable parts, and... the ability to put a SSD in the optical drive bay slot, which for us musicians, is the killer setup anyway (IMHO, and this is the direction that I'm going to go).

just saying'...

Looking at their benchmarks results page, that's only true if the system is operating in 32-bit.

[emirium]

with regard to the retina MBP... I don't quite understand the uproar here (unless we're mourning the end of the 17" line).

The fastest 15"-er according to GeekBench is not the retina version, but the "regular one", the one with user-upgradeable parts, and... the ability to put a SSD in the optical drive bay slot, which for us musicians, is the killer setup anyway (IMHO, and this is the direction that I'm going to go).

just saying'...

I'm not sure why one 2.7GHz quad-core would be faster than the other; possibly running the retina-display takes a bit of CPU. The loss of an optical drive (i.e. 2nd HD) is bearable TBH w/ USB3, RAM OK so long as they stress-test it appropriately, BUT I really really don't like the HD soldered onto the board.

You have to uproar, it's not so simple as the "just don't buy it" mentality...I have years invested in Logic Pro (since v3) and Macs (I still have my 10yr old TiBook here in front of me, happily running), I can't just switch platform that easily, there's plently of plugs I have that are mac-only, hardware that is more mac-friendly...maybe I should have left at v5, a couple of my friends warned me not to stick with a hardware-locked DAW; but at the time, Apple were still very concerned about their pro user-base.

[michaelhuisman]

with regard to the retina MBP... I don't quite understand the uproar here (unless we're mourning the end of the 17" line).

The fastest 15"-er according to GeekBench is not the retina version, but the "regular one", the one with user-upgradeable parts, and... the ability to put a SSD in the optical drive bay slot, which for us musicians, is the killer setup anyway (IMHO, and this is the direction that I'm going to go).

just saying'...

Looking at their benchmarks results page, that's only true if the system is operating in 32-bit.

Interesting, I wonder why that is?

I got the numbers from MacRumors, here: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/ben ... cbook-air/

12000+, that gives my 8-core MacPro a serious run for it's money... so... I'm in "wow" mode anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'm in love with the retina MBP, but... for my, and probably most of our music purposes... the non-retina version offers "more"...

[michaelhuisman]

I'm assuming that the soldered RAM is a design consideration and not meant to be "evil". Design consideration only in that there is no need for some kind of "riser" to plug a memory module into...

Apple's price to upgrade RAM from 8 to 16 GB is 200 EURO here in Europe, that's reasonable isn't it?

The non-retina MBP has USB 3, a FIREWIRE port (how necessary is this for all of us!), but no HDMI port and only 1 Thunderbolt port...

interesting tradeoffs...

for my live rig - I've got to think this through a bit...

[lookatthisguy]

I'm assuming that the soldered RAM is a design consideration and not meant to be "evil". Design consideration only in that there is no need for some kind of "riser" to plug a memory module into...

Apple's price to upgrade RAM from 8 to 16 GB is 200 EURO here in Europe, that's reasonable isn't it?

The non-retina MBP has USB 3, a FIREWIRE port (how necessary is this for all of us!), but no HDMI port and only 1 Thunderbolt port...

interesting tradeoffs...

for my live rig - I've got to think this through a bit...

I know how you feel. Been working towards a Mac Pro for my studio (used or otherwise, I at least wanted a new model to push newer models onto the used market if nothing else), but the Retina MBP, design concerns excepted, is a beast of a system, and would be perfect for my day job. It's just got those things I mentioned before that leave me conflicted.

[emirium]

I'm assuming that the soldered RAM is a design consideration and not meant to be "evil". Design consideration only in that there is no need for some kind of "riser" to plug a memory module into...

Apple's price to upgrade RAM from 8 to 16 GB is 200 EURO here in Europe, that's reasonable isn't it?

The non-retina MBP has USB 3, a FIREWIRE port (how necessary is this for all of us!), but no HDMI port and only 1 Thunderbolt port...

interesting tradeoffs...

for my live rig - I've got to think this through a bit...

No, it's certainly not, you can buy that RAM for about €100, and then there's minus the price of the 8GB RAM.

I've maintained Apples for nearly 8 years, 90% of the "dead" computers that were brought into me over the years were RAM or HD failures. Simple fix on the spot, and no 3–6 week turnaround with Apple.

So yes, it is evil. Besides, my point was more "if they stress-test it appropriately", which they probably won't...how many graphics card failures have Macs had over the years that made a whole Logic Board useless? So now we're adding the two other most volatile components into the gamble?
It's wasteful, it's cocksure and it's irresponsible...

Don't be a fanboy.
Apple make excellent software, and their hardware is second to none...but they're no angels.

[Rev. Juda$ Sleaze]

Apple's price to upgrade RAM from 8 to 16 GB is 200 EURO here in Europe, that's reasonable isn't it?

Not at all, you can buy 8GB of RAM for around 40-50 euros, then when you imagine how much RAM Apple buys in a year, their bulk discount must mean it costs them a pittance. To be honest, considering the price of a new Mac and the price of RAM, I don't know why they don't max-out the RAM as standard.

[emirium]

I know how you feel. Been working towards a Mac Pro for my studio (used or otherwise, I at least wanted a new model to push newer models onto the used market if nothing else), but the Retina MBP, design concerns excepted, is a beast of a system, and would be perfect for my day job. It's just got those things I mentioned before that leave me conflicted.

One thing to keep in mind is that the cooling in a desktop is superior; if you're going to be running a laptop close to the edge for long periods of time, it's just not going to last. I can run most of my iMac projects on my MacBook, but the MacBook gets A LOT hotter and nosier (2011 Quad iMac/2011 Quad MBPro). A friend of mine runs his 2.3 Quad MacBook Pro w/ heavy After Effects use as his sole computer, it's already had a HD failure (heat related)...

[emirium]

I don't know why they don't max-out the RAM as standard.

Exactly. Greed.

[logic8mine]

I don't know why they don't max-out the RAM as standard.

Sure, you do... p.r.o.f.i.t. m.a.r.g.i.n.

[Fauxmoehawkeen]

Any news on any sort of update for Logic? It's been a while since they let out the most recent one!

[triplets]

Any news on any sort of update for Logic? It's been a while since they let out the most recent one!

Apple NEVER talks about Logic updates.

[redlogic]

Apple NEVER talks about Logic updates.

Because the 1st rule of Logic Club is:
1. You do not talk about Logic Club.

[triplets]

Second rule in Logic Club is:
2. Follow the first rule.