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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

Logic is finally letting me use the LEARN function to program the nanoK and I really like the flexibility. However, Logic occasionally pulls its' controller assignments disappearing act and deletes my hard work. Using the Learn function will let the user: Set up banks of 8 channel strips allowing full control over Faders, pans, mutes, and solos. Buttons can be set up to go directly to the bank. This will work with any new project whether it has one channel strip or many of any combination. Sends (all 8 in the strip) can be controlled by selecting the specific channel strip. A button can be set up to go directly to the Bus Send. Different inserts can be called up with a button push and controlled reusing the same scene over and over. In addition, all FX and Instrument inserts on a channel strip can be called up and scrolled thru. It is really versatile and allows for so many variations. **************************************************************************** Here is an improved version or the basic nanoKontrol. It has 32 channels of audio and Instruments, 8 Aux channels along with the Output and Master. All 8 send slots are controllable. Download the Nano template ( see below) and open the Communication tab of the Korg program and write the settings to your NanoK. ( It does not include the FX section for now. ) Be sure your NanoK is set up with the values shown in this image The nano channels 1 - 8 will control the Logic mixer. The 9th nanok channel controls the selection of the Logic functions. NanoK knob 9 will select Audio/Instrument/Aux/Output/Master channels. Slider 9 will select the Bank for the Channels. The Lower button 9 will select the FADER/Sends selections. the Lower buttons 1-8 in send mode will turn on/off the bus sends. It's that easy. Use the LEARN function via Key commands to program the transport ( loop is cycle ). KorgNanoK Basic 32ch.logic.zip [104.82 KB] Downloaded 1639 Time(s) Setting 1.nktrl_set.zip** [528 Bytes] Downloaded 1116 Time(s) ________________________ Logic 9.1 (no SL) CrackerMackbook Honk If You've Never Seen An Uzi Fired From A Car Window. *Mods - edit anything inappropriate. I don't know the difference. Last edited by shivermetimbers on Wed May 27, 2009 6:07 am; edited 11 times in total

mateoche

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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

Thanks Yours, Baited Breath

jpmull

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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: Template Ready??

Any word on the availability of the nanoKontrol template? Thanks! JP

shivermetimbers

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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

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merula

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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

Thanks very much for posting this. Couldn't open the marker to see info but went ahead anyway. Some of the sliders are operating other sliders at the moment and some sliders do panning on previous tracks. Transport isn't working for me yet. What was the info in the marker?

shivermetimbers

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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

merula wrote:

Thanks very much for posting this.
Couldn't open the marker to see info but went ahead anyway. Some of the sliders are operating other sliders at the moment and some sliders do panning on previous tracks. Transport isn't working for me yet. What was the info in the marker?

Options >Marker > Open Marker text.

Assign the key commands for Play, Stop, etc to the nano transport using the learn function.

Your Nano needs to be set up like the pic. Basically everything goes chronologically from CC# 1 to 127. Scene 1 is 1 - 36, scene 2 continues as does scene 3 and 4. Everything is changed around in the Environment.

All you will be using for now will be scene 1.

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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

Setting the Transport commands will work using the MMC setting. This will save you from using the 'Learn' function. After you have set the Transport values and transmitted (write) them to your NanoK, go into Logic's Midi prefs and set the MMC listen box. ________________________ Logic 9.1 (no SL) CrackerMackbook Honk If You've Never Seen An Uzi Fired From A Car Window. *Mods - edit anything inappropriate. I don't know the difference.

sean808080

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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: how to import all of this magic into existing projects

I'm relatively new to Logic and have gotten the nanoKontrol from Santa. Following these excellent directions I've gotten the transport buttons to work as well as the faders in the project at the beginning of this thread. This may be a simple question but I'm not clear how to transfer all of the fader magic to my existing projects. I'm sure it has something to do with enviroment layers but I'm not sure exactly what. The transport buttons work in my existing projects [key commands are global I guess?] thanks for all this terrific info. cheers sean808080 http://sean808080.com

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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: how to import all of this magic into existing projects

sean808080 wrote:

I'm relatively new to Logic and have gotten the nanoKontrol from Santa. Following these excellent directions I've gotten the transport buttons to work as well as the faders in the project at the beginning of this thread.

This may be a simple question but I'm not clear how to transfer all of the fader magic to my existing projects. I'm sure it has something to do with enviroment layers but I'm not sure exactly what.

The transport buttons work in my existing projects [key commands are global I guess?]

thanks for all this terrific info.

cheers
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And I'm in exactly the same boat, I've followed your guides and the transport buttons work, for some reason logic thinks that faders 1 and 2 are mute and solo.

Help Appreciated thanks

chriswiltshire20

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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

amazing posts about this Korg Kontrol cheers guys!! I unfortunately cant get it to work with logic... I'm new to environments and for the life of me cant get it to work!!!!transport stuff is fine just want those damm faders to work for me...Iv tried your walkthrough and still no joy any help would be most appreciated cheers chris

sean808080

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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

You have to start at the beginning with this:

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Download the Nano template ( see below) and open the Communication tab and write the settings to your NanoK.

Did you "write" the settings? I missed that step! If you don't you'll have done no programming at all.

chriswiltshire20 wrote:

amazing posts about this Korg Kontrol cheers guys!!

I unfortunately cant get it to work with logic... I'm new to environments and for the life of me cant get it to work!!!!transport stuff is fine just want those damm faders to work for me...Iv tried your walkthrough and still no joy Sad

any help would be most appreciated
cheers
chris

clarityofglass

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

sean808080 wrote:

Thanks that worked.
Is there a way to turn the solo and mute buttons (as they are set out on the logic file) into latching switches? I'm new to environments, but I've used logic for well over a year.

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: Re: how to import all of this magic into existing projects

sean808080 wrote:

That is the nice part about Logic's Environment, you can import and add to OR replace the entire settings.

If you are in a new project, go to the environment window and under Option, select one of the IMPORT menus. You will need to experiment to suit your needs.

Once you have the specific Environment set up, you can simply do a Total Replace.

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

clarityofglass wrote:

sean808080 wrote:

Thanks that worked.
Is there a way to turn the solo and mute buttons (as they are set out on the logic file) into latching switches? I'm new to environments, but I've used logic for well over a year.

You NanoK switches should be set to Toggle and not Momentary (if that's what you meant).

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clarityofglass

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

Ahh thanks

sean808080

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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: how do i control the mixer:arrange view w NanoKontrol?

Onto my next simple or dumb question... I've gotten the NanoKontrol to correctly move faders in the ALL tracks view as well as control transport. The question I have is if I want to mix the tracks of my piece, the ALL tracks view has all the AUX and BUS channels which take up track positions. If I filter to Mix:arrange so that the mixer shows the same tracks and positions on the arrange window, the nanokontrol doesn't correspond to those channel faders. What am I missing here? What's the magic to get the NK faders to correspond to the arrange tracks? Thanks in advance!

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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: how do i control the mixer:arrange view w NanoKontrol?

This specific Environment Template was set up for only 8 audio, 8 Instr, 8 Aux, the Output and Master channels (along with the related sends). However, it can easily be expanded to as many channels you need. Since the NanoK is a dumb controller (meaning it only sends out the basic info and cannot detect and recable as necessary), the environment needs to be set up to accomodate the NanoK. If you were to delete some of the channels, the cabling would then be lost for the deleted channels and would then need to be recabled if you added the channels back. So if I need more than this basic set up, I would need to create the environment with a few more channels than I think i may need. All the sections would still be used in banks of 8. Right now only the 1st 8 audio channels should respond. If you were to add a ninth, it wouldn't work with the 9th simply because it isn't cabled. The best thing to do would be to create the Environment template to be initially larger than what you would normally need. How many channels (and types) are you wanting to use? ________________________ Logic 9.1 (no SL) CrackerMackbook Honk If You've Never Seen An Uzi Fired From A Car Window. *Mods - edit anything inappropriate. I don't know the difference.

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

Hi Shivermetimbers - just wanted to say thanks for all the information above, it has been a godsend while setting up my nK with logic 7 (and it's taught me a fair bit about the environment in general, which I'd been meaning to get into more deeply for some time). I have a question though - now I've managed to get the various controls set up as I want them, controlling track mute buttons, volume faders and pan knobs etc, is there any way to record this controller data as individual track automation using touch or latch mode? I've tried various routing options, automation splitters etc. but can't seem to make it work (i.e. the parameters in question still move as desired but no automation data is being written to the track). Any help would be greatly appreciated

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

Ok I figured out a simple way to work with the environment object for NK. Instead of pulling my hair out using it with an existing project - which didn't give me 8 tracks of audio and 8 tracks of midi etc- I just created a new project and voila...I got my 8 tracks of audio and 8 tracks of midi to play with. Just thought I'd share my simple fix to something I coudln't figure out.

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: : Basic Korg NanoKontroller Environment

fry_piggy wrote:

Hi Shivermetimbers - just wanted to say thanks for all the information above, it has been a godsend while setting up my nK with logic 7 (and it's taught me a fair bit about the environment in general, which I'd been meaning to get into more deeply for some time).
I have a question though - now I've managed to get the various controls set up as I want them, controlling track mute buttons, volume faders and pan knobs etc, is there any way to record this controller data as individual track automation using touch or latch mode? I've tried various routing options, automation splitters etc. but can't seem to make it work (i.e. the parameters in question still move as desired but no automation data is being written to the track).

Any help would be greatly appreciated Smile

Normally, the Sequencer Input object would need to be cabled. However, the Nano sends out different midi values and everything gets confused.

I am not sure how you have your Nano K set up, but as far as automation goes...

I chose Scene three and used the Learn function to assign each of the 8 tracks so that Sliders 1- 8 control Volume, Pots 1-8 control PAN, etc.

In the arrange window you simply hit the play button and automate away... All 8 tracks at a time. So you could set up all 4 scenes to learn different things. Once you are done with that set of automation, you can reLearn the controls to new parameters and continue automating.

You can use the Mode change function of the Controller assignments so that you can re use the same controller knobs to control many different parameters. In other words, slider 1 would control volume, hit the mode change button ( you assigned ) and re use slider 1 to control an insert fx parameter.

After a while you will have compiled a multitude of Learned function commands using one set of control knobs and switching which sets simply by pushing a button.

So using the LEARN function (Instead of the Environment) you can set a button to switch MODES and control most everything in Logic using only one scene.

Some people may like this method better. It involves time, but it can be done as it is needed so that the Controller assignments continually get added to (or subtracted from).

Eventually, you will have a switch to go from bank 1-8 to bank 9-16, to bank 17-24, etc
FX inserts can be done in the same manner, except you only need to learn the specific effect once. To control it, you will use the mode switch to select that effect, select the track it is on and move the controller knobs/sliders/buttons.

The only drawback is that sometimes all the controller assignments can get corrupted or erased.
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