simpleton Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 i didn't think it was possible in Logic but an Apple friend of mine taught me a trick that allows you to record a bus or an aux to an audio track. 1. in the Environment create a new Audio Object and set it's Channel to "Input 1-2" (or any of your inputs) 2. insert a Nosie Gate plug-in (Logic/Dynamic/Noise Gate) on the Audio Object. set it's sidechain to Bus 1 (or whatever signal you want to record) and click the "Monitor" button in the sidechain section. 3. rec-enable an audio track and set it's input to "Input 1-2" (or whatever you assigned to the Audio Object Channel) with this technique any possible sidechain can be the audio track's input signal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lz Music Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Great tip dude, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleton Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 i did some experiments with this cool trick and found that the recorded audio will be early dependent on the I/O Buffer setting. you can see the different buffer settings (track names) in the picture. i was able to compensate for a buffer setting of 512 by adding a Sample Delay plug-in (Logic/Delay/Sample Delay) to the Audio Object (inserted after the Noise Gate) with a setting of 1063 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleton Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 i should add that i did tests at various bpms and with songs that were both heavy and light on the cpu and i saw no change in the negative delay. only the I/O Buffer setting effected the delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 What's your plug-in delay compensation setting? Any other track, instrument or plug-in in the session? That's an interesting finding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleton Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 there was no difference with PDC on or off i guess it's not surprising but the buffer setting isn't compensated for in this freaky wiring i did the test with three basic configs at both 124bpm and 75bpm (plus two tests at 140) 1. ES1 as source 2. Sculpture as source 3. Sculpture as source with Space Designer and other Insts (not in recorded signal) playing six-note chords on Atmosphere, CS-80V and Arp2600 all with a Space Designer each of these gave me the same results only changing the I/O Buffer changed the offset i guess you could find the sample delay for your I/O Buffer settings and even add all those Sample Delay plug-ins (bypassed) to an Audio Object with Noise Gate that you could save in your Autoload pretty easy, really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Simpleton, thanks for working all that out. Very useful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobycarolan Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I have never understood why such a fantastic piece of software cant's just "auto-bounce" instruments. hmmm I need to post in the feature requests.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kouly Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Well I am missing something or there is some setting that you did not mention. I had the audio coming into the audio track with a bit of trouble but finally got it but it disappeared as soon as I hit the record button. Do you have any idea why that would happen. Just for the record. midi file playing on inst track Sending to bus 2 PRE Audio object on track 8 with gate monitoring bus 2 input output set to 1-2 Bus 2 has visible levels One thing that kind of confused me is why are we creating an audio object when we have the objects for the audio tracks there already? Well let me know If I missed something obvious.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Because you want to place the Noise Gate before the sequencer, hence on an input object, not a track object (which only gives you playback monitoring, but won't allow you to record). My guess is you didn't follow the tutorial but instead tried to insert the noise gate directly on a track object. That won't work: you need an input object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antyrecords Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 hey greatt tip, but just a couple questions...... so, -in the environment window i created an audio object. I went to change the channel to "input 1-2", however the option of changing it to an input does not exist.... the options for that are: "track, aux, instrument, rewire, bus", however there is no "input" option... what do i do??? < -thanks, anton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Are you on a Mac Mini or on Logic Express? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kouly Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 1. in the Environment create a new Audio Object and set it's Channel to "Input 1-2" (or any of your inputs) 2. insert a Nosie Gate plug-in (Logic/Dynamic/Noise Gate) on the Audio Object. set it's sidechain to Bus 1 (or whatever signal you want to record) and click the "Monitor" button in the sidechain section. OK maybe it is just me and I am not complaining But David where did he say input object? All I see is Audio object. They are two different things are they not? I know I am have been getting a little short tempered with Logic but I am trying to work with it. I even got a new Raptor 150 GB drive and NOTHING is going on it except Logic and some support apps. If Logic still gives me as much problem as it has lately you may hear about some guy that went base jumping off a casino without a parachute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 An input object is a short term for an Audio Object with its channel parameter set to an input channel. create a new Audio Object and set it's Channel to "Input 1-2" That will give you an Input 1-2 Object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir quickly Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 If I am not mistaken, the Noise Gate's sidechain delivers only a mono signal, right? Any trick to re-record stereo signals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitedheadroom Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Am I missing something here? I don't see the point in this. You can bounce the output of any bus by sololing it and bouncing in the usual way. Make sure add to audio window is selected. Then simply drag the new audio into your arrange page from the audio window. Surely this is quicker than the process of messing round setting up gates plugins and the side chain, and you don't have to worry about delay compensating yourself. The bounce can be done offline this way, saving more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 If you use the Bounce function there are a lot of things that you cannot do while Logic is bouncing. Once setup, this environment makes it actually faster to "bounce in place" than the method you suggest: you just hit record on a new audio track and can record any single region with its effect. No need to drag the audio back into the Arrange window! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquamatic Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 If you have, say 12 rewire audio channels coming into Logic and you want to bounce them all at once to separate audio tracks: use Jack. Download the jack audio connection program for OS X (it's free), then set up a jack server with (say) 16 virtual channels, pointing to your usual audio card. Then, start logic and choose the jack server as your audio card instead of your normal one. Logic will appear in Jack (it might take a minute or so) with 16 inputs and 16 outputs. I left ins/outs 1-4 alone (they correspond to the ins/outs on my m-audio soundcard). I mapped the other virtual outs to the virtual ins. In logic, create an additional set of (mono?) outputs. Then, each rewire audio track gets routed to a virtual output (workaround: logic only shows stereo outputs , e.g. 5-6, so you need to output to a stereo out and use panning if you want mono outs). Then create some standard audio tracks and set their inputs to the virtual inputs (5 - 16). Arm these tracks, hit record, and there you go: all your rewire tracks recorded simultanteously to Logic audio tracks. E.g. for the rewire audio channel 3 I have the following path: rewire channel 3 (panned left) --> output 5 --> audio track with input 5 If anyone is interested I can hack together an environment and Jack studio setup and upload these. Let me know if that'd be any use. -Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 If you have an RME interface, you can also just use the Totalmix application to reroute output channels to Inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred B Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 If anyone is interested I can hack together an environment and Jack studio setup and upload these. Currently I'm using 'Soundflower' for routing audio. What are the advantages of Jack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark athe Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 If anyone is interested I can hack together an environment and Jack studio setup and upload these. Let me know if that'd be any use. -Martin this looks interesting ... just downloading this now ... t a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Floyd Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Hi to all logic users. I'm a 4 year logc 7 hiphop/r&b/rock producer. Was wondering to setup grooves templates. javascript:emoticon(':idea:') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleton Posted June 15, 2007 Author Share Posted June 15, 2007 hi J Floyd check out this link: http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=1029 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 so would it be possible to explain how to do this process with an Audio Instrument? I can see the benefit of being able to "print" effects .... if you are sure of what effects , etc you want, you can print the audio to a track, thus freeing up your CPU ..... excellent post BTW!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 The process would be exactly the same with an audio instrument. It doesn't matter what you send to the Bus, what matters is to use a Noise Gate on an Input object to be able to record that Bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Please excuse my ignorance - but when I try to create an Audio Instrument in the Environment, I don't get the standard fader like when I creat an Audio object .... could you please direct me on this? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroy Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 If I am not mistaken, the Noise Gate's sidechain delivers only a mono signal, right?Any trick to re-record stereo signals? Is there a way to do this in stereo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 BTW - I have figured out my question ..... forgot about this post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquamatic Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Soundflower vs Jack -- no advantages as far as I know, just personal preference. Jack is free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TucsonSean Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Soundflower is good for straightforward set ups. Jack has a vst/AU capability that allows more complex routing options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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