| Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
Rufuss Sewell
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 Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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I know there's already one for instruments, but the same problem applies to many effects.
Unless I do some serious automating at the beginning every single track I will inevitably get a pop or weird noise at the beginning of a mix. This seems extremely unprofessional to me and is quite embarrassing when I have to explain this to my customers.
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arifd
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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| Yes, this is a good point. I had forgotten about this one. |
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pieca
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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| The workaround is to play some blanks measures just before bouncing in order to clear the buffer. |
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DWINC
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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Sometimes that does not help, since the error can be in the middle of your song as well.....really strange....
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David
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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| DWINC wrote: | | Sometimes that does not help, since the error can be in the middle of your song as well.....really strange.... |
Sounds like that could be fade file corruption. In that case I would try Audio > Delete Fade File from the audio window.
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DWINC
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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hmmm...that's strange...I can not find that option under both the Audio windows?
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David
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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Not in front of Logic atm, but it's something like that, in the "Audio File" local menu of the Audio window. Maybe "refresh fade file"?
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camillo jr
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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It is Audio File>Delete Fade file in the Audio window.
I will almost always get a click at the top of the song unless I bounce with at least a sixteenth note of space before any music occurs. And I also have to run out the last few seconds of the song into silence to clear the audio buffer. I've taken to putting a marker there so I can get to that easily. |
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DWINC
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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Thanks for the tip guys. It helped me out 9 out of 10 times. I still have some problems sometimes, but this is WAY better 
Sometimes I really don't get Logic's flaws. Like today I created a beat, right on the spot, and it refuses to play the first kick. Move the whole pattern to the 2nd count instead of the first, and it works.....Just like Logic has a problem sometimes with the start of a song?
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ebot9000
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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| DWINC wrote: | Thanks for the tip guys. It helped me out 9 out of 10 times. I still have some problems sometimes, but this is WAY better
Sometimes I really don't get Logic's flaws. Like today I created a beat, right on the spot, and it refuses to play the first kick. Move the whole pattern to the 2nd count instead of the first, and it works.....Just like Logic has a problem sometimes with the start of a song?
CHeers |
This problem - missing the first midi trigger - has to do with plug-in delay compensation. Something about the way timings are shifted so that everything stays aligned can caus it to miss the first downbeats on some midi notes.
You never want to turn off plug-in delay compensation when you're bouncing down a mix cuz it can mess the mix up, so I always put a little space before the beginning of the track and deal with it later.
I hope this bug is fixed in 8!! |
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ebot9000
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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| Rufuss Sewell wrote: | I know there's already one for instruments, but the same problem applies to many effects.
Unless I do some serious automating at the beginning every single track I will inevitably get a pop or weird noise at the beginning of a mix. This seems extremely unprofessional to me and is quite embarrassing when I have to explain this to my customers. |
Anyone know if this was fixed in Logic 8? It's kinda silly I always have to sit there waiting for effects to fade before I bounce - this doesn't happen in Protools!
I'm waiting to do my upgrade until my band's album is done in about a month.. but I'm excited, especially about the little bugs that I'm hoping are gone. |
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DWINC
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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Nope, it is still there. And even worse: the option mentioned above (or better: the quick fix) names Delete Fade File is gone? I can not find it anymore in the menu of the Audio Window (now Audio Bin) 
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David
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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| DWINC wrote: | | Nope, it is still there. And even worse: the option mentioned above (or better: the quick fix) names Delete Fade File is gone? I can not find it anymore in the menu of the Audio Window (now Audio Bin) |
From the main menu bar: Options > Audio > Delete All Fade Files.
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DWINC
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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ah, so there it is!
thanks!
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DWINC
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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Hey David,
Although sometimes the quick fix (delete fade files) help, it is really still a pain in the ass.
I had to bounce a song SIX times before I was able to have the cached sounds BEFORE the song, so I could cut it off.
What I do:
I leave several bars open (sometimes even up to 12), hit play/ stop a few times to lose the cache, then hit "Delete Fade Files" , and then bounce the whole song. But then I STILL have this problem. Do you know of this is a Logic error? Like the other poster on the forum, Pro Tools and Cubase don't seem to have this problem? ( I wouldn't know, only use Logic)
Do you know another workaround, this is pretty frustrating and time demanding.!
Cheers 
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ebot9000
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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Can I ask why you guys are deleting your fade files?
I usually find the noise at the beginning of the track when I bounce is caused by trailing off of an instrument or effect. I've personally never found it was caused by corrupted fade files.
Is it possible that when you delete your fade files and then bounce the track that you are bounce the track with no fade files, hence causing a click when the first audio track begins playing (because it is missing the essential fade-in)? I've never done this so I don't know if Logic recreates those fade files before bouncing.
If I play out the effects, and give some tiny amount of space when PDC is cutting off the first midi trigger, I never have any bouncing problems. |
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David
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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| ebot9000 wrote: | | Is it possible that when you delete your fade files and then bounce the track that you are bounce the track with no fade files |
No, because Logic automatically recreates a new fade file when it can't find its original one. You delete your fade file when you suspect it has become corrupted, usually when you hear weird noises always at the same position, where a fade is present in the Arrange window.
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DWINC
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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So basically we still have to live with this Logic bug? Cos I see this as a major problemen. It happens 9 out of 10 times. Yesterday I was recording a band, and I had only added one delay or echo to a track to show the band my intentions with a vocal track. Just one.....and then when I hit play you already heard the cached sounds at the beginning of the track. 
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ebot9000
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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I'm hearing it still exists in Logic 8. I surprised they didn't nix this, anyone know why that might be? I assume something about Logic's processing makes this not worth the return..
When I asked about it in the Logic Pro Discussions forums, asking "Did thye fix this bug in LP8" one of the more seasoned users there responded to me..
| Quote: | | No, this "bug" is not fixed in LP8 - so you still have to wait for long delays and reverbs to decay - have a cup of tea in the meantime or wipe the dust off your Monitor... |
As if I was crazy to even call this a "bug." Tell that to a Protools user! |
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Ashermusic
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: : Clear effects buffer when bouncing |
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I am not sure why but I simply do not have this issue of pops here on my rig with either L7 or L8. Sometimes certain V.I.'s notably Atmosphere, do not seem to totally clear their buffer so it sometimes takes a couple of false start.
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