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  1. That's it, thank you. So many options buried all over the place in Logic.
  2. I've come to really like how Ableton always starts you at the same point, it makes editing so much faster. Is there a setting where Logic works this way?
  3. Nice one! I still hadn't found an answer to this question anywhere. Solved.
  4. If you google "can i recover a project if i hit "don't save"" or similar, pages upon pages come up from people asking this of almost all software. Its an easy mistake, that's completely unnecessary with a few simple software tweaks. I get it, you're the pragmatic realist and I'm the head-in-cloud idealist. But this is a problem that costs humanity countless hours and psychological distress (yes, dramatic 😂 but very true) and is so easy to fix.
  5. It results in the exact same options, that takes the same amount of time to navigate once you're familiar with it, without ever risking losing work. I have a hard time understanding the preference, outside traditionalism not wanting to change anything, even for the better. But I respect your perspective. This is an old thread that got bumped and showed up in my email. . I'm mostly Ableton now, and its the same way. The future though, for all creative software, is definitely a "no way to lose work" way of saving.
  6. Are there no backups? Final Cut keeps a seperate backup of every session you close. If that's not there in the iPad Logic, that's also a design error. These issues you bring up do not exist in the way Final Cut works.
  7. Open Final Cut, hover over project title in the upper left, right click "duplicate." There's no cognitive load or arrangements of things. It takes 2 seconds, no exaggeration. Yes, given what's there, you have to adopt "good, responsible, professional and dependable saving habits." That doesn't always gel with the reality of how creative work happens. People work long tired hours, or get buzzed, or work in groups, etc, and there should be no way to make an easy mistake that loses everything. You can get it right 99% of the time and still lose everything sometimes. If you're working 300 days a year, and get it right 99% of the time, it means you're losing 3 days of work a year. You're speaking on how to best survive under current conditions, I'm speaking to the ideal, which should always be strived for IMO. In no way is the ability to lose everything an ideal.
  8. Its the same thing, if you want to be adventurous, save it under a new name at the start. We're talking a few *seconds* of difference. With the benefit being you can never lose anything, which is a life changing benefit, not hyperbolically, it literally changes your mental state for the better every moment you're working. To me, to no longer have that "save" PTDS that haunts every single one of us is a godsend unlike any other. Every creative person has lost important work at some point or another, and the only solution is to be psychologically damaged by it enough to turn into a "save" junkie. I just don't see how this is in any way acceptable, much less the ideal. Its a primitive remnant from the 80s and 90s IMO.
  9. Final Cut and others have adopted a model where you name the project at the start, and it auto-saves everything throughout, you never have to worry about any errors or hitting save as you go, or even hitting save at the end. Its got your back, no worries. Its a major relief, it takes that "gotta make sure I don't lose everything" edge off in a psychologically beneficial way. If you want to delete or revert or save a project at a certain point and continue on, its very simple. To me, this by far makes the most sense. You form habits as you work, and if you go back and forth between different software a lot, the "saving" mistakes become easier and easier to make. I think the Final Cut model is the future and the way to go, as you can never make that mistake. Not to mention a lot of creative work is done under the influence of various substances, and I think artistically creative software should be influence-proof, there should be no way you can lose hours of work with one mistaken click at the end. You're hanging out with music-making friends late at night drinking and smoking up, and the whole night ends up lost at the end cause someone hits the wrong button. I don't see any ideal where accidentally losing all your work is something that can actually happen, does nothing but give you the "save save save" PTSD we all suffer every moment of working, which is a useless psychological distraction to always have hanging over everything all the time.
  10. It is awesome. Easy as it gets, no cleanup required. Has completely changed my workflow for the better. Doing it in Logic the way that was suggested worked with a little effort on my end but is no comparison. You can put together drum track sessions on their own, and musical idea sessions on their own, and groups of layered sound design on their own, or grab parts of other sessions, etc etc etc with no fear of combining things in whatever way possible later. There's a sense of freedom and fearlessness of "issues" throughout the whole process that seem to plague Logic, where you're spending extra time cleaning up adjustments all over the place, which can be a major momentum and vibe killer. Add to that how well automation and timing works, and its night and day. When sessions start to get laggy, you can bounce to audio, go to a new session, finish up all the new parts there, and seamlessly drag them all into the original session exactly as they are, freezing as necessary which works really well in Ableton (you can drag around freezes seamlessly, it moves the frozen audio along with the MIDI information, unlike Logic which locks in a frozen track). I end up working in several sessions frequently because of this freedom. I was solely a Logic user for nearly 20 years, made the switch recently, which was a painful experience for a while as you have to re-learn a bunch of rote processes and adapt to another way of working (I don't bus anymore, you can do all the same things using groups, which are completely modular like I've described), but once I got rolling its been a really fantastic working experience and my productivity and enjoyment of making music has gone way up. Hate to be an Ableton propagandist on a Logic forum, but so many frustrations that were inherent to making music have melted away.
  11. Ok thanks. Got a bit confusing picking the tracks out of everything, so I saved the tracks I need as its own session, and basically imported the whole thing. Did the trick.
  12. In Ableton, you can group things however you like and save groups, which get saved as an ALS file the same as a complete session. You can drag any group/session into any other session exactly as it is with the channel strips and automation and MIDI etc all there. It takes seconds to combine sessions of any size in whatever way you like. Is there a way to do this in Logic? I need to take about 15 tracks from one session into another, ideally as they are, without committing to audio.
  13. I've been increasingly working on Ableton and have finished a few projects with it. The fact that there are no plugin compensation issues is a big relief and the main reason I switched. I used to think I wasn't a great engineer and didn't have what it took to dial in these sweet spots I'd hear in other records, but it turns out it was all Logic. Big relief (mixed with a bit of anger towards Logic for all the psychological distress and missed opportunity over the years). I really like how the automation snaps to the grid so easily and copies/moves perfectly, and the fact that there's no overlap of clips in the arrangement so there's never a need to use scissors to cut things first to make room for whatever you want to paste or put there. Is there a way to set Logic to work like this? I'm still doing a fair amount in Logic with older sessions and collabs, and will continue to do so for a while. But it feels very clunky to me after getting familiar with Ableton.
  14. No, they're older versions of Arturia which are no longer updated (replaced by newer versions which are new instruments), and Siren which was a single release free plugin. I don't like to update Logic for this very reason. . random stuff just stops working or goes wrong. So I'm still on 10.7.1. Though I'm regretting upgrading from 10.5 due to all the headaches its given me. But several plugins are working in 10.5, broken in 10.7.
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