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Hey guys! Bumping this thread as I am running into this issue still with latest version of Melodyne 5 Studio and Logic 10.6.1 Is anyone having this issue or a solution with latest versions? I will be editing in Melo5 Ara and suddenly I hit playback to only discover all my tedious work from previous sections in same clip are gone. It keeps happening and driving me insane. Thanks for any ideas!

Bump - I have the same question ~ anyone able to shed some light on this? In my case I don't have ARA - just Melodyne Studio 4.2. I imagine it would be a similar process. Thanks!

Curious you are seeing that drop-off Eric. Can you send me the actual frequencies where you notice it. Maybe use a sin-wav generator and get the exact range. I can test it here to see if it is something common in the subpac. Also what are your "real" basses? on a side note, I used to use Magic A/B but have switched to Melda MCompare which gives me allot more options like multiple reference track slots and setting it to source so you can tap your signal processing chain and compare if plugins are helping or not.

Anyone able to weigh in on this? Is the environment the only way to handle this type of setup? If so can you point me to any helpful tutorials or articles? Thanks!

Thank you KenKennedy! Yes I would love any specifics you or anyone can provide. I'm rather green in the environment.

Greetings friends! I have searched high and low and can't seem to figure this one out from the threads I've found and testing. Hoping you may be able to share your wisdom~ I am trying to setup a dedicated "monitoring" midi controller (Behringer BCN44 - B-control Nano) using Control Assignments (Expert View) under "(no zone)" so it will be global as I understand it. The idea is to have this controller always control my monitor, headphones and Alternate monitor volumes & mutes respectively across all projects that use a common template for the studio setup. In my main project template, I am mapping the BCN44 midi controller (connected to an iConnectMidi4+ via DIN) to the volume fader and mute for example. I also mapped to the Gain level of the Logic Gain plugin for use in a specific setup for integrating a Subpac to the monitor chain with a couple send mutes. (see this thread for more detail on the specifics of the subpac application /viewtopic.php?p=662233#p662233 ) I had everything working great at first and I thought I had really made some progress, but when I saved the project and opened another older template to update it with the new monitoring channel strips & routing, I discovered the mapping assignments appeared to have moved and were no longer controlling the previously mapped targets, but rather neighboring fader or mutes or none at all (from what I could see). Investigating further in the expert view, it appears the assignment is connected to the Channel strip # which shifts relatively when adding channels during a project (after the assignment has been made). I attempted changing the number in the field next to "Fader Bank" drop down menu which worked on the mute but not the volume fader assignment. Making those changes however introduced another problem since when I go back to the original template, the mappings no longer work. I tested in the original template adding some audio tracks and the mappings also had shifted, so it's not isolated. Is there something with Zones/Modes or is this somehow resolved with smart controls?? Another curious thing I ran into that had me stumped for a while is when mapping the BCN44 to a MUTE for example, the "Value Change" field in the Controller Assignments window (Expert View) would update with something other than "Lo7" at the end of the 3 values which would cause it to not behave correctly. For instance midi learning a MUTE on my masterbus and wanting it to toggle with a button on the controller - the automatic learned behavior would populate with some alpha-numeric pairs like "BD 04 7F" and default the Value "Mode" to Rotate which would result in needing to double press to get the mute into the correct state. I discovered that setting Mode under the Value section to "Direct" (and "scaled' for faders) as well as changing the last alpha-numeric pair to "Lo7" (this was key) would make the MUTE toggle correctly with a single press. No where did I find that documented in a simple explanation. The manual refers to some Lo7 and Hi7 parameters but it's a rather confusing for my Brasileiro brain. Anyway, I at least got the behavior working for anyone else struggling with this. My goal is to simply have the assignments stay linked and active globally with the physical controller and specific faders, mutes and plugin parameters to emulate having hardware control of these monitoring parameters across projects in the studio. I'm hoping there is something simple I'm overlooking as this makes midi controller assignments rather useless when you want a more "permanent" setup. Obrigado! here is a link to screenshot of Controller Assignments as the embed image isn't working currently: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2KwEEAD1K2fZU0xNWRkaElobTQ

mc-deli thank you for the suggestions. I actually got Audio Hijack and tried this for a little - but I'm concerned about the latency it induces on the system as a whole. I guess when tracking it's important to just bypass or quit it and then re-launch and run it the rest of the time. have you noticed any latency or issues while recording? Also wondering if you have the headphone instance of Sonarworks too and how you implement it? Leave it running in Logic? I tried this and didn't see any obvious change. maybe I am not understanding you. so you record enable an empty audio track during general mixing in a large project and you get better performance from logic? please elaborate thx!

Hey Arnaud! This project starts at 1111 or the 0 - so I don't think it is that. I do think it's a bug as no matter what automation setting I set it to in preferences it still wouldn't move the automation for this project. I opened a new project and tested and it behaves as expected. Really strange & annoying. My workaround workaround for this buggy project was Eric's suggestion above using cycle region and inserting silence. [*]Choose Edit > Cut/Insert Time > Insert Silence at locators. This was still time consuming and I had to double check allot - calculating the lengths of silence to insert but overall it was better than redoing all the automation which was involved.

Thanks for the reply Eric. Yes that's the simplest approach, but also the most limited for making level comparisons between reference tracks & mix - especially when switching from headphones to monitors. In this approach, I am constantly adjusting the subpac volume making a best guess as to what is balanced. This prevents me from ever setting a "master" reference level - say using a commercially mastered track to then compare my mix with. For me that's the whole point unless I just want to use this thing for the massage. I've spent a while trying to figure this out since I posted last and have come up with some possible solutions that may help others. Ironically, the only problem I'm running into now is that when I assign my dedicated "monitoring" midi controller (Behringer BCN44 - B-control Nano) using Control Assignments (Expert View) in "no zone" so it will be global as I understand it - I end up with the midi mapping changing targets the moment I add new tracks. It looks like the "fader #" moves and then the assignment no longer applies. In my main project template, I am mapping the midi controller to the volume fader and mute for example. This assignment seems to be connected to the fader # which shifts relatively when you add channels during a project. I'm hoping there is something I'm overlooking as this makes midi controller assignments rather useless when you want a more "permanent" setup. In my case, I want to use the encoders and buttons of the BCN44 to control the volume & mute of my main monitors, headphones and alternate monitors. If anyone knows what I'm missing with midi assignments, please chime in. I've read all the threads I can find on it and no where do I see a solution for a "permanent" mapping that works across projects - in this case for the monitoring section of my projects (2Buss, Headphone Outs, etc.) Allow me to explain in case this helps anyone else trying to integrate working with a Subpac for mixing/mastering with Logic. My studio uses two UA Apollo units in expanded configuration but the routing should work on most setups the same. I also use Sonarworks 3 Calibration software for headphones and another instance for monitor speakers, so part of my goal is to avoid the subpac going through the Sonarworks plug ensuring calibration is only where I want it, namely on the headphone and monitors respectively. Goal #1: create a balanced mix of headphone level & subpac level (using commercial reference tracks) that can be set and volume adjusted together such that turning up one level changes both relative to each other. Goal #2: create the same balanced mix of monitor level and subpac level so I can also enjoy the subpac filing in the low-end blindspots of my problematic project studio. Goal #3: midi map the controls to a dedicated controller so you can easily AB & adjust the two balanced sources/levels, etc. Subpac Monitoring Chain: From MasterBus setup 2 post fader sends at unity level going to 2 Auxes for each output (i.e. headphones & main monitors) Masterbus--->Send 1--->Headphone Bus-->INSERTS: Gain Plug->IO Plug->Sonarworks--->Logic Output Bus-->Physical Headphone Output Masterbus--->Send 2--->Monitor Bus-->INSERTS: Gain Plug->IO Plug->Sonarworks--->Logic Output Bus-->Physical Monitor Stereo Output Also hook up Subpac to dedicated Stereo output (it doesn't like a mono cable as it is designed for a stereo 1/8") - ideally an extra headphone jack on your interface. For me on the UA Apollo's (8P & Silver) I plug it into the 4th HP or CUE jack. Set logic IO plugin output to the physical output that is going to your Subpac - for me this is CUE4 on the Apollo 8P expanded setup and set the WET/DRY value to 0% - this taps the signal pre-sonarworks (or whatever your calibration software, ARC, etc.) and sends it to the subpac. With the volume slider in the IO plug you can then set the balance of the subpac level using your reference tracks and now it will stay linked. Using the logic gain plugin before the IO Plug you can now control the linked/balanced level midi-mapping the Gain Plugin level to your midi controller encoder for volume. One thing I discovered is the IO plug sends level even if the channel it is substantiated on is muted, so I then midi assign a mute button to each send on the MasterBus and now you have an elegant monitor setup with logic & subpac. Alternating the send mutes you can then hear your calibrated mix with a balanced subpac level on headphones AND monitors while switching back and forth through your project. With this setup, even if you adjust your levels - the balance stays intact allowing for more accurate mix decisions. Now if I could only figure out how to make the midi mapped controller assignments "stick" when I add tracks in a project or go to another project with a different number of faders, without having to remap!? Anyone know how to do this? Hope this helps someone. Beleza!

Hey simpleton! Thanks for sharing your experiences with the Subpac. Curious how you have come along using the S2 Subpac since? I recently got one for mixing in Logic, but also got a backpack they make for it so I can also use it in rehearsal to check my low-end and I really like what it has to offer. I am still trying to figure out how to best calibrate it as well as ideal setup/integration with Logic workflow for the studio. For example, I use an Apollo 8P expanded setup and use the headphone amps on the front for monitoring as well as the alt monitor button to listen on my avantone. I would like to set this up so it can work whether I'm working on headphones or the main monitors, but if I use it in-line with my headphones this can't be accomplished without throwing off the balance and levels. I tried the idea of sending the S2 a dedicated copy of the mix from a unique out on the Apollo but that only works partially in practice as the Subpac relative level get's off the moment I change volume on my master. Maybe there is a clever way to route audio with the environment and midi to keep the subpac balanced with the main knob vs the headphone amp knob. The other issue I run into is the use of Sonarworks 3 Calibration and how that may change the relative balance, etc. Would appreciate any ideas of how you or anyone works with it in the real world for mixing. All the best!

Sorry to tag onto this post but I am having the same problem as OP in Logic 10.3 (latest OS) and it doesn't see this was ever solved. Simple project in this case with some minimal automation. My preference is set to Ask - when asking I tell it to move automation and like OP regions move but not the automation. I followed Eric's suggestion above and the automation does move. Very strange behavior. I can just rebuild the automation or use Eric's workaround as the edits are simple in this case, but concerned for more complex projects.

I am having a similar problem with Logic 10.2.4 with several plugins in a new project. The most significant spikes have been happening when I started using Sonarworks Reference 3 software (Monitor calibration) on my Stereo Out channel strip. Even with a simple loop loaded I get spikes and they subside to normal levels the moment I bypass. I have the headphone Sonarworks plugin on my Headphone output channel and this one doesn't have the same impact on the CPU. I'm thinking it has to do with the Stereo Output, but I'm at a loss where else to place the plugin for use during mixing. Anyone have experience or thoughts on this? In my Logic preferences I have my multithreading set to "Playback & Live Tracks" and the Processing Threads set to "Automatic" - Processing Buffer range is small as this is a brand new computer and I'm using a UA Apollo for tracking & DSP.

Hi Everyone, I know this is an older thread and is officially "SOLVED" but I ran into a similar problem and have been desperately searching the web and forums to find a solution. My solution may prove helpful to others in the same situation and I did not find mentioned of it in any of the threads I came across. The context: I had an entire ensemble of drummers from out of town playing African Sabar drums and all was going great in the Logic X session with 9 mics running until apparently suddenly between takes, the sync between the take folders became broken. I almost didn't catch it in time, but one of the drummers noticed something was off during a punch-in. I tried all the standard solutions (repacking take folders, dragging them to a new project, creating new groups, selecting/deselecting phase lock, editing, logic & system reboot, disk repairs, even cutting start & end points to ensure all takes were identical) and still nothing. All 9 mics were in a single group & phase lock edited the entire time (before hitting record for the first time) yet 5 of my take folders were acting as one quick swipe comp group and the other 4 were doing their thing separately as a group. The fiasco really slowed down the entire session and I was pretty embarrassed and left seriously considering what other DAW I might have to switch to.... Then today as I was revisiting the project to prep for their return tomorrow and preparing myself for the awful tedious task of re-routing the all the takes to a bus and re-recording them one at a time as David mentioned in another thread, I noticed something peculiar. The COMP label was differing between the un-synced tracks. The 4 mics said Comp D, while the other 5 read Comp C... Sure enough once I deleted the "Comp D" and just selected the same take in all the Take Folders so they all read Comp C and then re-engaged the Group, everything worked once again in perfect sync! I hope this helps anyone else ready to throw in the towel on Logic due to frustrations with multitrack editing & comping. I just got re-inspired. All the best, ~pm

Thank you Eric!

Yes! Thanks everyone. This is very helpful!!