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  1. I have been struggling with TouchOSC as a controller. Much detailed research, many videos and a post on Reddit later (look up "TouchOSC for REAL Dummies" on Reddit if interested), I can now connect TouchOSC on my iPad, and do the MIDI thing OK....MIDI is not a problem. This has taken about a week. I do want to be able to use OSC as I think I can do more things and achieve finer control with it in Logic. I have studied all of Tim Corpus's videos on connecting up TouchOSC with Logic, and have studied the LogicPad template. His videos are very good (the best I have found so far) but somewhere along the line there is usually a "...then a miracle occurs..." moment where it all works as intended, which leaves just a small but crucial detail unexplained. This morning I recreated his lesson in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFJ-kephjMY I followed it faithfully and in detail, it step by step. I had partial success. The idea was to set up two faders with labels, one on a subpage, and control two different track volumes in Logic. Pretty simple. I was able to move some faders in the end, BUT the wrong faders. Somehow my newly created project had set up a preview channel strip and this was one of the faders that moved. Another of the faders that was supposed to move did not. Logic was interpreting /fader1 as the second (Preview) channel strip. I could not delete the preview channel strip and ended up with a project that did not behave as Tim's did. This is what the mixer looked like. The faders should have addressed the Audio 1 and Inst 2 strip, but instead addressed the Preview and Inst 1 strips. QUESTION 1 So I have Logic and TouchOSC talking to each other, then the darn Preview strip gets in the way. WTF? QUESTION 2 The problem I am having is deeper than this though. It seems that somehow Tim is accessing prenamed OSC Controller Assignments, and that these must be somehow connected to the correct fader or knob within Logic, but I can for the life of me see how this connection occurs. What if there is not even an object in the list of controllers for what I want to do? What if I want to control, for example, the gain knob in a gain plugin that I have put on a channel strip - how to I tell Logic about this, and what do I put in the Controller assignment? In fact that is exactly what I want to do - exert fine control over a utility gain knob while mixing to write basic automation of volume. I have realised I have no idea how to do this, and that until I do I cannot use OSC with Logic. Any insight would be great appreciated. (P.S I just realised my profile has disappeared - I will go now and update it)
  2. Thanks Dan Banan I have not fixed this yet, and have had a hell of a time since I posted, but I have not forgotten this issue and will return to it. I will explore your suggestion.
  3. I do understand that thanks Devoid. If you take a look at my second paragrapn above that is in fact exactly what I did. Successfully imported the scratch track using ADAPTl switched to KEEP and then tried to pull an EZ drummer loop into the project. Doing so wiped the tempo track even though the tempo was set to KEEP. I am involved in a large project this week and cannot get to the above suggestions straight away but Atlas and Polanoid have given me a couple of things to try. Sorry I could not get the images up as they showed the problem clearly....bloody flat out right now so I will have to do my research next week now.
  4. Thanks Atlas007 and Polanoid.....I will give those things a go.
  5. Thanks Atlas 007.....what does SMPTE lock do and where can I find it? With regard to importing the artists scratch track after EZ Drummer the way I thought that Adapt Tempo had to work was that it was the first track that was imported that had to be used to set the tempo and that all subsequent tracks had to be matched to the first track....that it did not work the other way round. How do you understand the working of Adapt? It's actually a bit of tricky thing to use I find.
  6. Hi I am using Adapt Tempo to import an artist's scratch track and set up a click track that reflects his changes in tempo. It is successful on the import as can be seen in the attached screen shot. Then I want to set up a new MIDI track and import an EzDrummer loop onto it. But when I do that the new tempo track from Adapt is then wiped and overwritten by the tempo of the ExDrummer track. I don't want that to happen, and have tried looking at the project settings to prevent this to no avail. I also did the following.....imported the scratch track with Adapt switched on in the LCD display (adaptation to tempo was successful) and then switched "Adapt" to "Keep" in the LCD before importing the ExDrummer loop in. Did not work.....the tempo track still changed to the tempo of hte ExDrummer loop. (See screen shot) Then I restarted the process right from the beginning again, and with the scratch tempo successfully analysed and displayed I imported one of Logic's MIDI drum loops. This one worked just fine. The tempo track was unaltered and the Logic drum loop played according to the adapted tempo track. (See screen shot) I would really like to understand what's happening, and to be able to use EzDrummer loops with adapted project tempos. Any ideas on what's going on here and how to fix it? UPDATE - Cannot attach the screenshots after all because I cannot reduce the file size below 1.95 MB. There is probably a way to reduce the file size but I do not know how. Hopefully the above explanations will make the question clear.
  7. Thanks David.....I was stuck thinking tape. I have now managed to get all 14 songs up to a consistent -14 LUFS now and they sound fine with the stereo output bouncing just below the top of the red - it was only possible with judicious use of the limiter. I'm off to look into limiters now, in particular the difference between Logics two limiters, Adaptive and Normal.
  8. Thanks pu55yeater. I have observed the same phenomenon with the phase cancellation that occurs on either side of my ribbon mic when using as a side mic in M/S recording. I can see a place for the null test too.
  9. Thanks triplets....I am going to do the final levels on 15 tracks this afternoon so I will try the Logic limiters then.
  10. That clears everything up nicely thanks Des99. That is one new very useful fact I have learned clearly today. Not all days are like that! By the way do you have a favourite limiter plug in? I have not played with them much to date, so am wondering what are the pluses and minuses of using the stock Logic Limiter. Cheers
  11. Thanks Des99 So when you say "not pushing beyond 0dBFS" are implicitly accepting that pushing up to that (ver red) level is OK? If so that means you would be comfortable working in the orange and red parts of the meter on a routine basis. I just always thought, generally from thinking about tape, that you were supposed to stay in the green on thee meter, with the occasional dart into the yellow/orange areas, but never reach the red. Maybe that thinking is outmoded in Logic? I guess that is all I am trying to establish.
  12. Hi, I just want to check something. I come from the days of tape so learnt in those days not to "go into the red" except for the occasional blip or two. Now, doing stuff in Logic I find that the ONLY way for me to get -14 LUFS is to mix at a level where the meter is constantly pushing the red all the time. I notice that the meter on the Stereo Out fader only goes as high as 0 so that full scale red = 0. I imported three audio files into a test project (all region gains untouched at 0) and looked at their loudness using both Logic's LUFS meter and Youlean, as follows: 1. A bounce from one of my projects where the LUFS meter integrated measurement was -14, but I had normalised with "overload protection on" when I bounced it (prior to importing it to this test project). In this case the resulting LUFS (after bouncing) was -16.6. As expected....with some overall volume loss due to normalisation. The imported file appears visually to have plenty of headroom on the track. 2. The exact same project bounced to -14 LUFS integrated, with normalisation set to "off". The resulting bounce, when imported into the test project was at -14 LUFS......pretty much as expected again. The imported file does appear visually to hit the volume limits at various times, but is not consistently right up against the boundaries. I am not hearing any distortion. 3. A commercial track by Cat Empire "On My Way", to see what loudness they achieved.... around -8 LUFS. Visually this track appears to be at maximum loudness throughout, pushing the boundaries on the track, due to limiting no doubt. Images of each of the above tests are attached. In the case of the first two tracks, the stereo out meter is indeed pushed into the red all the time. Look at the little overload indicator at the top right of the meter. So my specific question, and the reason for this post, is...... Is that always how -14 LUFS integrated is achieved - by pushing meter on the stereo bus right to the limit when bouncing? Is that really what we do in Logic....work in the red on the output all the time? My supplementary question is......what is the most likely way to consistently achieve -8 LUFS like Cat Empire? I presume that a limiter is the answer, and that constantly working in the red on the stereo output would be mandatory to achieve that? How do people feel about Logic's own limiter? Is there something else I should be using? I have never much considered limiting before, but am starting to put out music that I have recorded for other people (a new thing for me) and loudness is now becoming an issue for me.
  13. Ah....that is very clever. Thanks for that great explanation. I am just typing my other post on loudness now after doing a couple of other different tests.
  14. Fuzzfiltth.........Back in 2021, before this thread got weird at the end, you mentioned a "null test". Can you please explain what that means. I am just about to make another post on this topic and did and number of tests before doing that, but I did not know what a null test was.
  15. Hi Josep I feel your question is extremely wide and you need to state your needs a bit more clearly. Music production can mean many things. Do you want to understand basic music theory, such as harmony, composition and musical ideas? Are you trying learn how to drive your DAW, plugins, tracking, mixing etc? Or are you trying to learn about studio acoustics and recording, things like mic technique, arrangement of your studio etc? All of these things are important but you can't focus on them all at once either. As suggested above, it is indeed like "sipping from a fire hose", and its hard to know where to start. David's suggestion to use the manual is a great one....I have downloaded the complete manual and it is one of the best computer manuals I have come across. Atlas077 made a good suggestion about the online courses. However, I might help others to answer your question if you say a little more about yourself and what you are trying to achieve. I don't get a sense of what you really want from your initial post, or what your greatest need right now is. Your question sounds like "tell me everything all at once" so I think you need to break it down a little bit.
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