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  1. Forgive my ignorance - but what exactly is "fixed" now? For me it was not so much a problem with incorrect timing when using sidechain (eg. these pumping compressors, no timing problems with these), but latency introduced when playing notes (eg. recording midi events via playing my keyboard). Since about a year I have to either switch on the low-latency mode or remove all sidechain inputs if I wanted to have low enough latency to record my playing properly (that is without noticeable delay). I suppose this has not been fixed, or has it? The last time I tested this is about 2 weeks ago and the problem was still there ...
  2. 32 GB would be my minimum - wouldn't go for 16 GB nowadays I went for 64 GB, but that's not necessary IMHO - however I'd make it 64 if I could afford it
  3. Wow! That's so cool - and I hope it's true for when using external 5K displays as well. Guess I'll place my order now ... No, I haven't as I've read in a thread that this didn't change anything. Moreover my i9 MBP is quite silent when: - not using a DAW - not using external displays So I figured it shouldn't have something to do with "messed up" nvram/smc settings ... but maybe I was wrong here.
  4. I’ve tried it with no monitor. It’s a bit better but not as it used to be (when there was almost never fan noise except for heavy jobs). But can anybody confirm that there won't be any more fan noises when recording in Logic or simple playback when working on M1 Pro/Max?
  5. I'm currently using a late 2019 MBP (i9, 64 GB) which used to behave well and regarding power it is certainly more than good enough for my sessions. But lately I experience much more fan noise than in the past, which is a real nuisance when working in the studio (esp. when listening to more quiet passages of an arrangement). I was told that Apple continues to change fan settings (both, on an ongoing basis and with new OS releases) and that might be the reason why I hear much more fan noise now than I used to (I moved to BigSur and to 10.6.3). Anyhow, as I don't want to have a little chip-barbecue inside my MBP due to using some crazy fan control software (they always tell me using them works but is at my own risk) I'm seriously considering moving to a MacBook M1 Pro or M1 Max. Can anybody confirm that there won't be any more fan noises when recording in Logic or simple playback? I don't mind fan noise when Logic is doing some intensive tasks (eg. bouncing a bunch of tracks simultaneously) but I can't have it while playback or recording. PS: I'm using 2 external Apple Cinema displays (27'') and might move now to a single 27'' 5K from LG. How about fan noise with these combinations?
  6. Now I'm confused. Isn't that the other way round as it used to be? Since some time I struggle with input delays in my general template when playing any midi instrument (that is: I hit a key on the keyboard and (too many) ms later I hear the sound). In this template I've got one track set up with a Logic compressor side-chained to a kick of a ghost track (= sidechain input of the compressor is set to the bus delivering the ghost kick). If I want to get rid of the delay while playing on my keyboard I either have to set the sidechain in the compressor to "Internal" or I engange the Low-Latency-Mode. But when reading your post I get the impression you HAVE to set the compressor sidechain to the bus in order to have no delay?!? But my real question is: would moving to Logic 10.7 improve my situation or even worsen it? For me this problem is a real issue. I didn't have these delays until lately and I find myself fantasizing about switching to Ableton Live (which is my secondary DAW right now) although I'm so much more fluent in Logic. But these delays drive me crazy and I don't see how to produce and mix without using sidechains ...
  7. David brought this topic to my attention as I struggled with new latency issues since upgrading to 10.6.3 In my case it was somehow connected to adding a drummer track to my template. The latency is gone as soon as I change a compressor's (which is NOT on the drummer track) input from a bus for sidechain to "internal". Or when deleting the drummer track the latency is gone as well. Easiest workaround without changing any routing, sidechain or drummer track is in my case to switch Low Latency mode on. Here's a link to the topic: Drummer Track with Multi Output Causing Latency?
  8. PS: Checked Logic release notes and found this: New in Logic Pro 10.6.3 Mixer Resolves delay compensation issues for plug-ins that require look-ahead, and for busses containing plug-ins that are side-chained to tracks. Well, that's exactly what I'm dealing with here - except only when drummer is present somewhere in this project. And "Resolves" seems to be the wrong word in my case. It's more like "Creates delay compensation issues" - I never had this issue until 10.6.3
  9. First: David, you're a genius!! Thx, that was the solution indeed! Second: I still don't get it. Actually I didn't have to remove the Ghost Kick track or the bus. I just had to change the sidechain input in the compressor on this template audio track "StDmyLog" from "Bus 50" to "Intern". As soon as I changed it, the latency was gone. I wasn't aware of this change in Logic and I don't get the benefit of this change either. Do I have to live with latency now as soon as I use sidechain compression? Another thing I don't get is the connection of this sidechain-latency issue to Drummer. I still get this latency only when I've got the Logic drummer in my project. Once I remove drummer the latency is gone even when the sidechain in the compressor (on that completely different audio track StDmyLog!) is still on "Bus 50". And this compressor is switched off in my template too (not blue). Very mysterious ...
  10. Source = Ghost Kick track for sidechain (ducking) Routed to wherever needed, eg. on my "StDmyLog" track (a standard stereo audio track with Logic stock plugins EQ, Comps and routing for aux reverbs/delays) theres a 2nd compressor at the end of the chain which is setup for ducking with Bus 50 as input signal
  11. Unfortunately this long shot did not hit the target Seriously, I gave that a try as well (disabling Melodyne, removing plugin completely, disabling input monitors). It's still the same. As soon as I add a drummer track I get this latency.
  12. Again thx Des99 for taking the time to investigate this issue. I've spent now another 2 hours on testing and narrowed it down. To eliminate any problems caused by my setup I performed these tests with a minimal setup: MacBook Pro + Korg microKEY Air connected via USB. So there's no audio interface, no external drives - just Logic + a small controller keyboard. I've recorded a simple 4 bar midi sequence consisting of quarter notes and varied the circumstances: - start with a new empty project - start with my template without drummer - start with my template with drummer - switch low latency on off You can see the latency results when comparing the midi events displayed in my screenshots. Of course my timing is not as perfect as 100% quantized, but you can clearly see the latency as all the affected midi events are about 1/32 delayed. It happens only with my templates (which used to work for years and I haven't changed it in any way prior to these latency issues) and only when I have a drummer track in these templates (either already there in the template or added to it after starting with my template). As soon as I turn on Low Latency Mode it's gone (although not one single audio plugin is bypassed - I believe bypassed plugins are marked somehow like greyed out or so if bypassed via low latency mode, but all my plugins look like always on the mixer page even when LL mode is engaged - see screenshot). Tests/Screenshots: New Project Before After Drummer: no latency happens when adding a drummer track to a new empty project Template Multi Out LL Off On: this was my starting point when first encountering this problem. My multi out template with a drummer track already set up. As soon as you play the sequencer or record the latency happens. When turning on Low Latency Mode it is gone. When removing the drummer track it is gone. Template Single Out Before After Drummer: When starting with a template without Drummer in it there's no latency. As soon as I add a drummer track I've got the latency and it's clearly visible in the midi events (about 1/32 delay at 120 bpm). Template Single Out Drummer LL Off On: Again the template without Drummer and adding it afterwards - when switching Low Latency Mode on the 1/32 latency is gone. Template Single Mixer LL On: Mixer page with all audio plug ins visible. I can't see any deactivated plugins when Low Latency Mode is on. Conclusion: this latency issue has something to do with my templates AND a drummer track. Without Drummer my templates behave as they used to = no latency. These templates have been quite some work. But it seems I have to remake them from an empty project ... and hope that I don't get this dummer track issue again. Actually I tend to stop using drummer instead. At least as long as there's no guarantee I don't end up with the same latency issue again after I've rebuilt my templates.
  13. Ok, did some more testing: - it seems to have to do with drummer track (both, stereo or multi output) - when engaging the low latency button the latency is gone - without low latency engaged latency is audible once you play some notes on your keyboard AND Logic is playing (= latency is not necessarily happening when Logic sequencer is stopped) I've attache a screenshot showing the mixer page. You can see that there is not one single audio plug in on the drummer track or the multi outs (well, of course "Drum Kit" is on the main track). Moreover I've attached the Logic project. Once you've loaded it make sure Low Latency button is NOT engaged, hit play and play some notes on your controller keyboard using the very first track (Piano sound from stock sampler). You should hear and feel the latency (it's quite bad - too bad for recording with a medium tempo). Once you press Low Latency button the latency is gone. If you stop the sequencer, disengage Low Latency and play the latency will still be gone. But once you hit play again and play on your keyboard without Low Latency button engaged it's back. Link to Logic demo file (it's stored on my Tresorit cloud drive, after following the link click "Open" and then "Download All" - that will create a ZIP file and start the download; after unzipping you'll have the logicx file): https://web.tresorit.com/l/mTSmf#RWVRIX0a1JmExJOn6zHc1w
  14. Thx for your thoughts on this, des99! I'll investigate the points you've mentioned. I don't think there are latency inducing plugins on my out tracks. For sure there are no new ones as I haven't changed my template and I'm using this one since quite some time (5 years perhaps?). Of course it's updated and optimized now and then, but I haven't done any changes to the drummer track and its multi out channels. And yes - of course it's no issue regarding mixing. But for the projects I usually do (less then 50 tracks) I don't even have to increase the IO-buffer from my 128 recording setting to be able to mix with my setup without any hiccups. Latency was never an issue ...
  15. I'm using various templates for my productions and one of them is setting up most instruments with multi outputs. Lately I experienced audible latency when starting a new project with this template. I compared it to my other templates and it turned out that this latency is caused by the drummer track in multi output. Other instruments with multi output (eg. Break Tweaker) don't create this problem and the latency is gone as soon as I remove the multi-out drummer track. I can recreate the problem when starting a new completely empty project, add an instrument (eg Piano from the stock sampler) and then adding a drummer track and change it to multi output. Stereo output is fine (no latency) - multi output on drummer track adds latency. Any suggestions? I definitely need multi outputs for proper mixing ... thx for your help!
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