jmob

no sound design?

not necessarily. The scenario I described was what the writers union fought against and won.

yeah but the thing is, that same director could give you ai music, tell you to redo it but with the changes they've specified and boom, you're just a subcontractor getting paid hourly with no publishing or writers share on the song.

If you have listened to suno v3, you would not be making that comparison.

I hope you're right.

I wish I agreed with you. I think the kids coming up, my 12 year old kid and younger will adapt to and accept the majority of music and art being synthetic as that's what they will grow up with

Yeah, no. Live performance? That's the same argument fans of Napster liked to use. I've run the numbers and, they don't check out for most of us. we all know our daws and plugins use ai. Suno is different and I think you know that. I work in TV. Sync to be exact and when they can replace us, they will replace us. I don't understand how this is even a remotely controversial point of view. Yes, AI will lead to an explosion of creativity, but music for most of us, for the vast majority of us will cease to become a career. If someone can press a button and make something better than a composer, they will go with that because it will be pennies on the dollar

It’s great that you don’t watch TV but you do understand that television is one of the bedrock ways the composers can make a reliable income, right?

“1. Might it not be more humane, in the long run, if it becomes practically impossible for human beings to dedicate their artistic efforts to the well-being of unaccountable corporations? Entirely produced by AI, the general culture might be artistic sludge, but no actual human being would have to endure the indignity of contributing to it.” Jesus man. Speak for yourself. I’m not rolling over and exposing my belly like that. I’m not going down without a fight. frankly, this is about as depressing a take as I have ever read. Pure capitulation.

Again, no one said anything about stopping and it took collective action by the workers to make the changes necessary for these people to have safer work places, dignity in their lives and time to actually live their lives. *Edit: not to mention fair pay

Sure, life will go on but in what fashion will it go on? In my opinion, modern AI is up there with the birth of industry. It didn't go well for millions of people. virtually every ai company out there training on data is an abuser. That needs to change.

This is incorrect. The courts already ruled on a similar situation: sampling. "In the case of Bridgeport Music, Inc. v. Dimension Films [2005], the US federal appeals court established that recording artists must clear every musical sample in their work, even minor, unrecognised “snippets” of music. The court rejected the notion that using unidentifiable musical snippets was legal, making clear the need for artists to obtain licences for any sampled content. This decision emerged from a case involving the N.W.A. song 100 Miles and Runnin’, which sampled a guitar riff from George Clinton and Funkadelic’s Get Off Your Ass and Jam. The court’s stance underscores the imperative to secure licences and dismisses the idea that such requirements stifle creativity." it's all right here: https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/opinion-music-sampling-and-copyright-disputes#:~:text=The court rejected the notion,a case involving the N.W.A. no one is saying that it's going to stop. If you want to train on someone's content, you must get a license. It's that simple.

I hear you man. Our one hope lies in the litigation that is coming. There is precedence that is on our side. Sampling is not fair use. the courts decided this definitively. if you want to sample someone else's work, you need to get a license and pay. I don't see how this is any different.

Well, from my experience, when they can replace us, they will replace us. I was working on a game where they replaced all of the artists with mid journey and all the voice over actors with ai voices. I have to tell you man, it worked. This wasn't some small indie dev mobile app game either. All I'm saying, all I've been trying to convey here is that things are about to get massively disrupted for us and if your in the business of writing music, you need to pay attention because it's going to effect us.

I don't know how we adapt to a replacement generator. There will be other generators that will be tuned to any number of specific genres that will sound better than 95% of the people doing it. Our only real hope is that these companies are held accountable for the data they train on. If that doesn't happen, It's over for a lot of us. Apps like Final Cut and premier will have music generators built in that understand not only what's going on in picture but also, timed emotion. We just won't be needed. Frankly, there won't be a lot of us left working within a couple of years.