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    WING

    have you seen this? https://mediadl.musictribe.com/download/software/behringer/WING/WING_DAW_Documentation.pdf Was looking at your previous posts here, and you seem to have difficulty with Wing in DAW mode. I have a Wing. I have one of the first ones delivered. About a year later, the DAW mode was implemented, and it has always worked for me. A couple of things about Wing... 1. there is no preset for routing audio in and out of Logic on the Wing. You have to build one, specific to your own situation. You can route anything to any of the USB channels (sources and outputs in the Wing terminology, so this includes busses, Main mix 1, 2, 3, 4 and more from the Wing going into your Mac. It also doesn't just have to be Logic...). Very flexible, it took me a couple of days to figure out what I wanted, and then build that. From Mac to Wing same thing... you've got 48 channels on the USB coming in. It's going to depend on how and what you want to actually mix on the Wing, versus mix in the box in Logic. I mix in the box in Logic, and only "mix" what my monitoring is. It's an awful lot like a modular synth - something to goes to something and you have to build that yourself. So I route Main mix, and useful stuff not in the MainMix coming out of Logic's in-the-box mixer to Wing, only to support monitoring while tracking... I don't do any live mixing work at all. The Wing stays put here. 2. The DAW remote section, since it uses all the faders on the DAW, is split into a main MCU plus 2 extenders. You'll need to configure on the Wing, where you want the main MCU, and the two extenders to show up on the Wing itself while in DAW mode. So in Logic, as that document I linked to shows, there are in fact 3 devices, in a group, that make up the whole DAW control surface on Wing. On the Wing, under Setup and on the DAW tab, there's a parameter "Emulation", and there you have to map the 3 different virtual MCU components from left to right. I have 1, 2, 3, 1, 3. That makes sense to me, but you might like something different. Configuration is MCU + 2x EXTENDER. Again, this is really up to you, but I wanted all the faders to be in DAW mode, when in... DAW mode. I can flip out of DAW mode and then I'm changing the Wing itself. It's what makes sense to me, but finding that others using Wing in a studio setting are all going about this a little differently. Lastly, doesn't seem like there are a lot of Wing users here, but over on the Behringer Wing User group over on Facebook, there are a lot. Many also use Logic, even if it's just to help them virtual soundcheck their setups live... but they're there. Your StageConnect device, which gives you more connected line inputs to use as sources on/in the Wing that you route to channels within the Wing? There are guys who use those, but they're relatively new - but almost everyone has 16 and 32 channel stage boxes and the concepts are exactly the same, it's just a different "stage box". The really sad part is there is just no way to share preset #1 is for Logic... because it doesn't exist. You've got to make/build it yourself, for your setup, and your wishes. When all is said and done, I've got inputs going into my Wing, I can choose to use Wing channel stuff before going into Logic if I want. I can also just tie-wire the input straight into Logic and not even use a channel... but to keep my head on straight I use channels. I have a full DAW control surface for Logic, with jogwheel. It's really nice that way. I can toggle back and forth between DAW mode and the Wing, which is useful for headphone mixes, monitoring, and more... The Wing is really a kind of Swiss Army knife in all of these parts of my workflow, but... I really had to "dig" to find out what works with what, and I had to really plan my audio flows, as well as the workflow I would want to have. It works really well, but I struggled for a few days, would stop, go back to the drawing board and then restart... In summary, Wings are a great piece of kit... and there are thousands of users already. Community just "isn't here" for Wing, but they're "over there". Look for Guillaume Lortie on YouTube. The guy holds seeking question and answer live YouTubes. I think he also does some consultant work for folks needed 1-on-1 help getting started. A ton of stuff and help over there. 3. USB 48x48 channel mode can actually run at 32 sample buffer in Logic on Apple Silicon machines running Sonoma. Not so before Sonoma, so while it's never really recommended to go with latest macOS, there is some benefit here. I'm running latest on all machines, as well as latest Logic. Ditto MainStage. Hope this helps - I wouldn't know anything about your specifics in your studio, so I can't help you on that further, but what I wrote above? That's what I tell folks using Wing with Logic, and they tend to find their way with the information above. Much luck with this - it's a puzzle, but once you've got it figured out? It's pretty nice!
  2. well, they have announced that the transition is complete, and... they could differentiate features as being Apple Silicon only, or... latest generation only, something they do on the iOS, iPadOS, tvOS and darn near everything else they make. thing is, there is just is no parallel on the Intel side of the house for what's on AS devices, and if Intel machines could have not held them back on innovation, they wouldn't have switched/transitioned. I'm expecting a differentiation, what currently runs won't break, but... Intel, heck even AU format will more or less freeze and the truly innovative stuff goes and makes use of other things on the AS SoC that only exist on that architecture. we'll just have to wait and see!
  3. they're certainly not published as AUs, but show package contents has a folder named "Plugins" of all things, although these look like the older ones and certainly not all of them! and they're NOT in the plugin manager. Am aware of that. So while internal to Logic, and many in MainStage too, I'd fall off my chair if internally Logic/MainStage plugins aren't architecturally just AU plugins. It'd be easier to not announce a base plugin as a plugin outside of Logic/MainStage, than support different plugin architectures for Apple's Logic/Mainstage plugins from 3rd party AUs, or even Apple provided AUs (there are some of course). That 95% of Mac desktop plugins aren't available as iOS versions is exactly one of the main things that round-trip compatibility ain't never gonna happen in the real world. iOS doesn't do AUv2, but does do AUv3. My Pianoteq app for iPadOS actually says shows up in the list of plugins Logic on iPad can load... Well, that's 1. I just can't help but think that next big update, Logic on macOS will create a push towards AUv3, as otherwise, round-trip ain't happening, and... plugins on iPadOS might actually show differences with the macOS version. Just guess what the writing on the wall might be going forward. P.S. - I don't believe AUv3 adoption will be any faster than VST3 adoption!
  4. Are the Logic plugins now AUv3 on Logic Pro desktop? Just wondering about round-trip projects handling, and if this is the dawn of mass releases of plugins in AUv3 formats... just wondering as I did a quick run-through of the iPad version. There was also some factory content that wasn't there before I could download and add, not much, perhaps 1 GB? Getting back on topic, being the update today and release notes, wow... a lot, and indeed... I can't make input monitoring show up either.
  5. Impatient so I scored from Peachpit site. Hard and digital copies. Pdf is formatted better than an ePub in my opinion. Reading from a 12,9 inch iPad Pro. Probably use the ePub on smaller devices. Watermark is unobtrusive lower right corner as a kind of footer. No issue with that. Paper version will show up when it shows up. Congrats on the book and off I go reading!
  6. Any idea when this will be in Apple Books? Store in The Netherlands has 10.4. I’ve purchased the original and updated every time. Fab book!
  7. I usually creat a patch bus, set the output of the respective channel strips to the patch bus and then map volume/whatever to the patch bus channel strip. It’s a literal translation of what you described. How do I create a bus? (I tend to do a patch bus because it’s nit concert-wide). Then how do I control that bus? Map a control to that bus. For strings layers like you[re talking about, I sometimes create custom expression curves per channel so that foot pedal expression control helps with “articulation” and then still map volume to a screen control assigned to a slider, with min/max volume vale’s on that slider. It’s a ton of control possibilities. Enjoy.
  8. No worries. I *have* done small and mid-size venue gigs with 3.4.3. My reservations are about things that happen while editing. There are reports of graphics stopping with updating but that MS continues to play. I don’t have that prob but also Mojave on a 2018 touchbar MBP. I have to be on Mojave. You’ll have regression test your concerts in 3.4.3, but opening previous version concerts is actually something which has been perfect every time. File formats have changed so save as... Interested in how your transition goes!
  9. deserves an answer. It's a bit of a mixed bag. I keep 3.3.2 and 3.4.3 on my system. 3.4.3 is the best of the 3.4.x range, but it could really use another round of fixes. CPU use is different, as there's a setting under Audio/Advanced that forces MS to use OpenGL or *METAL*, and you can also force that to use a dedicated GPU if present, even in Edit mode.... I use that... It doesn't fall over, but we're still a bit away from the stability of say v3.11... 3.2.x were a disaster. 3.3.2 is solid-with-known-quirks... 3.4.3 hasn't fallen over yet, but it surprises me sometimes with inconsistencies during editing... Obviously, you can keep both on your system so... your mileage may vary but I'm not telling folks to 100% stay away from 3.4.3... I'm just not so enthusiastic as in previous years. Hoping all is well with you!!!
  10. yeah, w/o going into details. it was already reported and there was an exchange on this just after 3.4.2. but yes... it's getting submitted again because it's not a duplicate, the behavior has changed, but it's still broken in some ways, improved in some, and broken in some new ways (all around this one issue). What I wish is that if they wanted us to accomplish the same, but via another way, fine, then provide that guidance. Reporting bugs is such a one-way flow, where... a lot of us can be of more value in a dialogue... oh well...
  11. well, if you use Time Machine, it'll make, let's call it "stage" backups on the local machine even if the TimeMachine device isn't hooked up. that could be one *possible* cause. it's really hard to diagnose this kind of situation when the machine also does double-duty for email and other "sync constantly in the background" kinds of tasks - you really want *none* of those running while working in MS... my MS machine does not do email. Yes, that's actually a pain in the backside. Time Machine is set to "manual" so that it never thinks middle of a gig is good time to start an interim backup...
  12. my bad... still broken, worse than before... goodness...
  13. "Duplicating an alias of a patch no longer causes unexpected sound output." was a big one, and... it's looking like the finally fixed the situation where an audio channel setup to take audio from multitimbral aliases is fixed... at a minimum, it's better, although I had to save the file in 3.4.3 first, and then test... Does anybody know what they mean by this? New Track? Where do we have "tracks"???
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