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  1. For important projects, I think it would be worthwhile to include the used audio files as project's assets when saving the project. Thus, avoiding inadvertent change consequences to those... I should have been more clear— sometimes I’ve been working on a project for a long time and it’s gone through many changes (though I almost never edit audio destructively) and I save incremental versions all in the same folder with an audio files folder. The audio files folder may grow to be like 20 gb or so and I always backup onto ya different files, copying the new audio files to the giant project folders on my backups. I want to be able to open the older versions if I need to go back to an earlier version but if Logic is somehow changing some of the old files that have been in the project since the beginning I worry that older versions will no longer open correctly if I replace the originals with the ones with the new “modified” dates even though I haven’t done anything to them.
  2. Yes, that would be my guess too. But I haven’t time-flexed anything. The most I’ve done is change tempos on the session/timeline, but I NEVER change the audio. I don’t even think I did any beat-mapping where Logic would have analyzed transients in the files. And it happened to a lot of files. I can use “Date Created” to sort, but then for backup purposes I’m not sure if some of the files have been changed and may no longer be used by both (different) sessions that use them.
  3. Why is Logic changing my Audio Files' "Date Modified" when I'm using them in an arrangement? I'm not destructively editing the files. If I'm comping together inside Logic, it shouldn't be changing the files themselves. What's it writing to these files? Sometimes several projects use the same audio files and I'm having a hard time keeping things organized if I can't use the modified dates to compare my folders with backups.
  4. This is very thorough and I really appreciate the effort you put into writing it up. I will have to go over your posts a few times to make sure I understand what you’re experiencing. So far I’m just confused about our differing results with Aux (same as Bus, right?) channels. And I’m also wondering what if any aspects might be different between midi and audio tracks. So far, since deleting the Master Channel plugs, I have not experienced any more recording offset from the grid/metronome and previously recorded audio & instrument tracks. My 10 tracks of drum mics audio have various plugins on the channels and I believe turning on “Low Latency Mode” makes some of them “orange” or unavailable even though those are audio tracks and not Aux or Master. From these tracks, there is a snare bus, an overhead bus and a final bus for all the drums. There are various plugins on these 3 busses and additionally the project has a couple vocal busses with Space Designer and a chorus etc on those. I did not delete plugs on these 5-ish bus channels and yet there was no delay when recording onto the 10 tracks tonight, without enabling “Low Latency Mode.” That’s all I know so far! EDIT: Actually, while I have in the past experienced the thing where turning on LLM causes some plugins to turn orange (and maybe display an exclamation mark?) it doesn’t seem to be doing it on this project. No plugs are changing color when I switch it on or off.
  5. I’m of course listening to the existing audio— guitars, bass, vocal, and drum machine (midi/instrument track), plus the metronome, while I’m recording. I’m just not monitoring the mic’d drumset I’m playing while I’m playing it. That’s because it actually can’t be heard too well in the headphones over the sound leaking in from the room so it only adds to confusion in hearing the monitor mix I’m playing along to. I don’t think Logic is doing this on purpose. I have also tracked countless other things with very low to no self-monitoring volume in the headphones (it can be better to sing this way, with one headphone off, for example) and the recording was fine.
  6. Well that’s a weird coincidence— I just so happened to be at 120 bpm and had put 1 second of latency! But if I was early or late by 1 full beat of course I would notice that! I mean, kick is on beat 1 and snare on beat 2, for example. And actually the drum part has 8th notes, 16th notes, ghost notes etc, and I know where they all belong. Also, it starts together with the track on beat 1 of the second measure of the timeline so I would notice if it was early or late, or if the fill didn’t come in exactly where it belongs. But I will try some more testing tomorrow. I also just realized that the song (Logic project) I’m currently on isn’t the same one I originally had the problem with. Im recording drums on a total of 6 projects. Two songs so far had the late recording issue, then I opened up this song and deleted the Master plugins and didn’t have the lateness problem. And then I tested the Aux with Expert Sleepers as reported above and it was fine. But actually I never tried recording with the Master plugins on this particular project file so it’s possible it didn’t have the problem for some other reason, that the problem isn’t on every project file. I guess I need to put the Master plugs back and make sure the issue was also happening on this song, or open up the song from the other day (screenshot earlier in thread) and check removing the Master plugs on that song. Also you keep saying to make sure to submit a bug report to Apple which I’m not opposed to, but I’m not sure exactly what to say is happening. Do I say the audio is late when I record if I forget to turn on “Low Latency Mode”? People on this forum made it seem like that’s the expected behavior. And do Apple even care about things like this? It hasn’t seemed like it when I look at the Apple forums, that’s why I came here.
  7. Hmm. I don’t seem to be having these problems with busses in mixing. My issue which prompted this thread was the recording delay which seems to have been tied to just the plugins on the Master Out and not on the Auxes or Busses, though I still have to test a couple other things to be sure... One thing I suppose I’ve neglected to mention on this thread which might be have made my situation different than what some others are experiencing is I was at no point monitoring myself during tracking the drums. So I only had to hear myself acoustically in the room while listening back to the track/metronome. Obviously this is different than when recording virtual instruments, for example, where you have to deal with the monitoring and potential latency there.
  8. Alright, I just did this: I put the Expert Sleepers Latency plugin on the drum bus and I set it to one full second and I turned it off, but kept it in the plugin slot on the channel. And it had no effect on my tracking even with “Low Latency Mode” turned off! Drums were still in time with rest of session. One thing I did notice though is a delay when stopping playback with it in the slot (and off). Like there was a fade-out or something. But that didn’t effect recording.
  9. I am going to do exactly this, later tonight and report back!
  10. I usually don’t either until after a mix is done and I’m putting some mastering-type plugs on the Master to bounce for listening elsewhere, sending to others, etc. Without anything on there it’s my experience that mixes don’t translate to many other listening environments. In this case I’ve been working on this project on and off for a couple years and it has gone through changes so the plugs were still on the Master bus because I liked the sound I got and was planning to use again to compare, after adding drums.
  11. Ok an update: I just did another recording and I simply took the plugins off the Stereo Out and the recording offset disappeared. I do have plugins on a few Aux channels, vocal busses, drum busses: it so turns out the only ones that hovering over shows there's some ms of latency were turned off (though according to posts here that shouldn't keep them from contributing latency to the recording) but the Auxes having plugins on them did not seem to make a difference– unless perhaps the total 9.3 ms from plugins on those channels is so small that I can't hear the offset? EDIT: Just to double-check that the 9.3 ms potential offset being contributed by my Auxes wasn't too small to be perceived, I tried sliding the new tracks earlier by 10ms and then later. In both cases, it was obviously worse/more out of time with the rest of the track. So I guess those Auxes weren't the issue. I'm incredibly pleased that the solution was simply taking all plugins off the Stereo Out channel as doing that is much easier than remembering to enable "Low Latency Mode" every time I start recording.
  12. But my audio is recording late, not early. (See screenshot I posted earlier in thread.) Also I wanted to add I often have used the same set up, including with plugins on aux and output, without any issue. I never even checked the Latency Compensation setting. I routinely record vocals and guitars, bass, keys this way, without even turning plugins off usually. In those cases I was using a different interface and only recording a couple tracks at once. This problem has started since I’ve been recording 10 tracks of drums.
  13. I was using the metronome you get when you click the metronome icon next to the transport in the toolbar at the top of the tracks window.
  14. Save your Master Out plugin chain(if you have more than one plugin there) as a channel strip preset, loading it back will take a second. That’s just the way Logic works relating to the master bus. It’s 2019,... I’d like my car to sometime be an helicopter but that’s not how it was conceived for. I can bitch all day about it that it won’t change a thing. Must be a millenium thing(I want everything now!!)... never understood why people want to track with mastering(or any plugins) plugins on the master bus. So many problems it can bring that you’ll have to patch later on. As for your second “problem”, maybe using Alternatives project could help you. Sorry about the bitching... I understand that it’s people wanting to push the envelope that make stuff “evolve” but sometime there might be a good reason why something works in a way. Be careful what you wish for. If the devs would “resolve” your way of doing recording, it might bring other problems!! Blink Are you saying it’s only the plugins on the Stereo Output bus that are causing this? (The one labeled Master has no plugin slots.) That would be great. I’m away from the studio at the moment and can’t test but if that’s all it is then sure, it’s simple enough to take those off and add later! As long as I don’t have to do it for all my tracks and Auxes. As for the “millennial” dig, not sure what you’re getting at. I’m probably older than you. Never had these problems in Protools or Digital Performer. Not being able to quickly record onto an existing session without undoing work you’ve already done isn’t asking for a jet pack. Let’s keep the armchair psychologizing out of this.
  15. Yes I read your post before I posted! Always some people being like “This is the way it should be, no room for improvement!”
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