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Hi. Any news of "hide alias" bug for scoring ?

Thanks for your answers. OP suggestion better than having a second project for score printing only. I hope the bug will be fixed ...

Thanks for your answer. My purpose is to display in score repeat signs for some regions in an instrument track and not display at all in score the second time that region is played by the instrument (so in the same track). Logic 9 was able to do that by UNCHECKING the box called "show alias" in the menu File/Project settings/Score/Global. This box disappeared in Logic X and alternatives like "Hide muted regions" in the same menu or "Score : Hide" in the region inspector of arrange window just hides notes but still display empty staves (with rests).

How to completely hide alias regions in a score with Logic Pro X 10.4.4 ? Not only showing empty staves (staves with rests) as it is done when choosing "Score : Hide" in the region's inspector of Arrange window or checking the box "Hide muted regions" in File/Project Settings/Score/Global.

I re-post my missing answers to following questions (probably a session « time out » occured the first time…) You say : I’m a little confused about what each track and region are in the project you sent me, can you please clarify that? … I'm not sure which track or region in that project is that one that will show me what I need to fix the script. In the Logic project I sent you : - First track (called « My EXS El Vibes ») is : my EXS instrument (the one that has mute programming and « Hold » by CC64) regions with pedal moves and Low velocity notes for mutes. (some up to vel15 instead of vel10. Sorry) - Second track (called « Simple sound rel spl ») is : a single sample vibraphone sound with a woodblock sample as release sample. I made it to drag any region and clearly ear when exagerates release samples are triggered. - Third track (called « Continuous sust ped ») is : my EXS instrument region here (called « Continuous sust issues ») shows Roland DP10 continuous pedal not always sending value 0. So I tried to make a simple script to push all pedal’s value below 8 to 0. My script does not work. If it can help, here are 3 links probably better than talks. 1 - Real vibraphone mallet mute technique : 2 - Xylosynth basic sustain demo : In this second video, the first stroke of the guy is played with pedal down and later when he turns the knob all the way through, the maximum note length is 8 seconds. Not an infinite length as the guy seems to think. 3 - Real vibraphone half pedaling demo at 5’07 of this video :

Sorry, my previous answer is missing. Don't know why ... You say : "Looking at your EXS instrument ... I do not think the script can do what you want with the MUTE functionality as long as the instrument depends on CC64 for holding notes." Yes, before I heard of the Midi Scripter, I've tried several things right in the EXS24. Actually, the mute part is done by a monophonic sample group per key with the sample corresponding to lowest velocities acting as a mute because it is a sample tail. I see that it would be better to use a more simple EXS instrument and let the scripter do the job. I tried your new script with the default electric piano sound of Logic's "New Project". It works as I want but after a while, one note don't ever mute (pedal or low vel). Same when opening another new project un choose factory Steinway of Logic. You say : I will need more clarification from you about what the instrument is expecting to receive and what you need the midi to do in order to work for you Right now my understanding was to attempt to block CC64 from reaching the instrument, which may or may not be ok, since I see in the instrument that CC64 is configured for "hold" You are right, in some of my tries, I left blank the box « Hold via » of EXS instrument. It seems we have to do that because I need CC64 as a source to modulate things like enveloppe and filter for half pedaling … So CC64 has to reach the instrument ... You say : Secondly I would need to know what is supposed to happen with notes that are played while the sustain is held down I *think* what you are saying you want is that when sustain pedal is down you want all notes to continue ringing until the sustain pedal is released. If a mute event happens (low velocity), then end those notes eary before releasing the sustain pedal. Yes that’s it. You say : I'm not sure what should happen if notes are played when the sustain pedal is not down. When pedal is up , notes played are shorts. Actually, my mallet controller sends notes off after a time defined by a knob on the controller. Usually a natural length of notes « pedal up » on a vibraphone is around 400 milliseconds. This can be change on the fly while playing. You say : when the sustain pedal is released you want ALL notes to end, yes? Yes, all notes that are ringing before pedal is released. But as soon as pedal is up, some notes can be played. They just sound short. You say : If your instrument is dependent on the value of the sustain pedal having some meaning other than on or off, then I don't think we can do what you want. Maybe if we leave the mute part of the script ? Only retain note off messages until sust ped is up ? You say : So I'm not sure why you are worried about some of the sustain values not being zero I don’t know why but when I set a midi transformer in Logic environment to say CC64 messages below 8 has to be 0, my Roland DP10 pedal works fine. By doing it in the scripter, I try to get everything in the patch

I'm there ! I was just trying to send you something that help as well as possible. I hope there is no problem for me to give you a wetransfer link on that forum ... Here it is : https://we.tl/t-CWPLjg6P6i (link valid during 1 week) So I took time to test your second version of the script. In the Logic file I send you, first regions are what I prepared before I see your second version. First track is my vibraphone EXS sound played with usual On/Off sust ped. "The loud notes" are still there. Sorry ... Second track make it easy to ear.Third track shows how my continuous sustain pedal mess around value 0. I tried a little script but it does not work ... My improvisation ending first track was my test of second version of your script. After bar 35 the notes sustained and nothing kill them. Neither soft strokes or ped moves as you will see in Logic's piano roll. If managing at same time mute notes and sust ped transformed in note off messages, maybe we can leave the mute notes part because I found an internal fonction in my mallet controller that is supposed to do that. Maybe there will be no conflict with the script ?

Reading again first post by Michael, I see : * The pedal event is always swallowed to keep from triggering the normal sustain behavior in your AU. So I think I'd better answer No to questions : "Do you want sustain message sent through?" & "TODO - do you want the sustain message sent to the instrument?"

Cool ! Thanks a lot Dewdman ... Release samples are correctly triggered but when I play several notes pedal up, the first following note played with pedal down has a much louder release sample (when pedal back to up position). About the "note on vel<10", they trigger correctly release samples but they don't kill the note. Only a new move of pedal down and up reset a normal behavior of that particular note. Otherwise, it sounds sustained while pedal is up. "Do you want sustain message sent through?" Yes we never know ... "TODO - do you want the sustain message sent to the instrument?" Yes it can't generate issues no ? "TODO, what if a note is still held when the sustain pedal is released?" Release of pedal should kill every notes Well, sorry you made a brand new script ! I thought it was possible to modifie the script of Michael in head of that page ... Anyway thank you

I need a javascript that retains the "note off" messages until, either I release the sustain pedal, either I send a second "note on" message at velocity lower than 10 for a note I want to kill before pedal is up. Without that script, my mallet controller sends "note off" messages that trig "release samples" at wrong times. I Think I need also the script to manage my continuous pedal Roland DP10 sending values 0 or 1 or 2 instead of always 0 when it is up. Not that easy to explain for a frenchy ... Thanks

Thanks for your script Michael. It's pretty cool on a normal keyboard but with my mallet controller (Xylosynth by Wernick), the keys/bars just get strokes so notes length is constant (actually defined by a knob). With your script, I can't hold a chord and play above in that case. The way it is done on a real vibraphone is : usual sustain pedal staying down for the chord to ring, we mute a note played above by a touch on the ringing key/bar while we play the following note. I emulate that "mallet dampening" using velocities bellow 10 and I tried to remove the "legato" part of your script because holding "notes off" gives me an access to release samples ! Not successful til that day ... Actually, I need a script transforming on the fly pedaling in "push note off messages in a queue" until "pedal is up or a velocity bellow 10 has been sent". It's close to your script, so would you make an alternate version for mallets instruments players ? Or someone reading this ? I offer my self sampled EXS electric vibes sound (a good Musser M55 with Ayotte piezos and TC Electronics Stereo Chorus). Info : I use a continuous sustain pedal (Roland DP10) that does not always send 0 when up ... It can be 1 or 2. This problem is known but Roland does not seem to care.