skijumptoes Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 I ran this on my 2012 MP - got up to 92 tracks before an error. 128 i/o buffer Medium Process Buffer How on earth is that possible?!? My 2018 Mac mini can only run 73 tracks! The Xeon class CPU's (As in the Mac Pros) are quite different in that they are more fixed and reliable in performance, regardless of thermals. Modern i5/i7/i9 CPU's only hit their full potential when turbo boost is enabled, and even then it cannot be applied across all cores for a sustained period. This means more potential power, but also more fluctuations. A benchmark which runs many instances of lesser CPU intensive plugins will always run very well on larger multicore machines, the Mac Pro in question here could have 12 cores, for example, and yours 6 - despite having slower clock speeds it's their fundamental design to process such tasks at a fixed, sustainable rate. Your machine will have strengths in other areas, most notably single core performance and benefitting from more modern architecture. So, i wouldn't be too concerned with benchmarks - they're a good baseline indication, but don't reveal the whole story. But this also demonstrates why a lot of Mac Pro owners were saddened at the over-priced (over-specced in areas?) of the new Mac Pro models to stick with the Xeon family on Mac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshJ Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 I understand. Sorry, i read your reply as "MBP" instead of "MP" so thought you were using an old laptop. Even so, quite impressive for 2012 model. Im currently struggling with my 2018 i7 MacMini which is why I'm testing it. Am i right in thinking turboboost on my machine is on most of the time by default? I saw a video on youtube mentioning an app called Turbo Boost Switcher that forces turboboost but people in the comments said you dont need it as turboboost is on most the time anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root_sashok Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 MacBook Pro Mid 2018 2,9 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i9 TurboBoost Enabled Buffer size: 1024 samples Threads: Automatic Process Buffer: Large 74 tracks Catalina 10.15.7, Logic Pro X 10.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 the new MBA M1 runs 99 (someone on GS tested with this benchmark) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRdungeon Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 the new MBA M1 runs 99 (someone on GS tested with this benchmark) That's pretty impressive, on the biggest buffer settings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 the new MBA M1 runs 99 (someone on GS tested with this benchmark) That's pretty impressive, on the biggest buffer settings? afaik buffer settings don't affect this benchmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRdungeon Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Getting a stable 39 tracks on my 2012 15" 2.3ghz quad core which I was actually quite impressed with, kept going even as i opened chrome etc. Figured it would be worse than that. Would love to see someone do that test with the MBA over half an hour or so, see if it throttles down and the track counts drop down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Getting a stable 39 tracks on my 2012 15" 2.3ghz quad core which I was actually quite impressed with, kept going even as i opened chrome etc. Figured it would be worse than that. Would love to see someone do that test with the MBA over half an hour or so, see if it throttles down and the track counts drop down afaik the cinebench scores are inline with this. it throttles after half an hour, but not significantly. so 109 on the M1 Mini vs 99 on the M1 MBA is pretty much what you can expect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 gotta stop starting my posts with afaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRdungeon Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 gotta stop starting my posts with afaik No worries, you're handing out subversive spiritual advice. So even fully heat soaked we're only looking at like a 10% performance loss on the Air? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 gotta stop starting my posts with afaik No worries, you're handing out subversive spiritual advice. So even fully heat soaked we're only looking at like a 10% performance loss on the Air? yeah early reports seem to indicate so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 just tried this again: 88 tracks on my imac, LP 10.6 on big sur; the fans are going wild (not the fans i want to go wild, tho)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 just tried this again: 88 tracks on my imac, LP 10.6 on big sur; the fans are going wild (not the fans i want to go wild, tho)... huh, 6 more than i can pull off with the same chip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 just tried this again: 88 tracks on my imac, LP 10.6 on big sur; the fans are going wild (not the fans i want to go wild, tho)... huh, 6 more than i can pull off with the same chip! something with the gpu? just wondering what affects this (but am not complaining)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 huh, 6 more than i can pull off with the same chip! something with the gpu? just wondering what affects this (but am not complaining)... Well it has two fans and more cooling area, i guess that gives it some edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 just tried this again: 88 tracks on my imac, LP 10.6 on big sur; the fans are going wild (not the fans i want to go wild, tho)... huh, 6 more than i can pull off with the same chip! bad news, ploki; those last 6 tracks are where all the best music is made.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 ugh i knew there was something obvious holding me back from making it big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 ugh i knew there was something obvious holding me back from making it big there's an easy fix for this; just delete your first 76 tracks... now you can use the remaining 6 to make that magic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I never knew it was possible to troubleshoot/workaround your way to a hit record. Genius! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I never knew it was possible to troubleshoot/workaround your way to a hit record. Genius! it's how all the pros do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Here's another comparison with the Logic benchmark. Air M1 is 88 tracks and MBP M1 is 90 tracks. Go to 14:00 on the video for Logic benchmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Here's another comparison with the Logic benchmark. Air M1 is 88 tracks and MBP M1 is 90 tracks.Go to 14:00 on the video for Logic benchmark. iirc that's the result if you leave threading to automatic - it only uses 4 performance cores, if you set it to 8 it also uses the efficiency. (The guy on GS first did it like that) Also, process buffer range affects it. i'm not sure how the guy in the video had it setup, but that could explain the discrepancies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Ected Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I can sometimes get 31 tracks with my fully spec'd 2014 15-inch MBP, but 30 is more reliable (1024 buffer, processing threads automatic, buffer range large). Not very interesting. What is interesting to me though is that it seems like the base model M1 Mini is reporting in at anywhere from 90 to 109 depending on who you believe. Even if it's the lower end then that's 3X what I can do! I suppose that's not to be unexpected since my computer is, well, 6 years old at this point, but I also paid $3K for this and a Mini only costs $700! I'm definitely going to pull the trigger on this, I'll still keep my MBP for travel and such - I don't see much travel in my future, and honestly I normally just bring my iPad, but 99% of the time it's acting as a desktop anyway so the Mini is perfect for me. This is great! I do a lot of online collaboration and with many of the software instrument focused songs my computer craps out early and I'm constantly freezing/unfreezing tracks which becomes annoying quick. It's twice as bad when I'm collaborating in real-time using Zoom or AnyDesk, sometimes I hit a wall after just 6-8 tracks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Ected Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 So I just got my Mac Mini in (base model - 8GB RAM 256GB drive). I was able to get 107 going without a hitch. Insanity! What further impressed me was how smooth the UI still was even when the CPU was being absolutely hammered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facej Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 my MacBook Air 16GB/1TB is currently cranking 96 tracks while I am browsing this forum I set it to use 8 cores. Of course if I switch between applications the test will overload. Looks like about 85 reliably while still using the browser ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darude Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 I never knew it was possible to troubleshoot/workaround your way to a hit record. Genius! it's how all the pros do it. But are you really a pro if you have a computer that doesn't have that word in the model name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 it's how all the pros do it. But are you really a pro if you have a computer that doesn't have that word in the model name? haha... what? but it's ok, i wrote the word 'pro' on my imac with a sharpie, so all is well. (btw my ex is from finland, but that's not your fault). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 holy (@*$%. can't wait i receive mine. I sold my 13" intel and my Intel Mini in ADVANCE and the reports that are coming in are just reenforcing this decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 holy (@*$%. can't wait i receive mine. I sold my 13" intel and my Intel Mini in ADVANCE and the reports that are coming in are just reenforcing this decision. ok, but... what are you getting? air? pro? mini? looking forward to your reports... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 holy (@*$%. can't wait i receive mine. I sold my 13" intel and my Intel Mini in ADVANCE and the reports that are coming in are just reenforcing this decision. ok, but... what are you getting? air? pro? mini? looking forward to your reports... Pro 13" to replace my MacBook Pro 13" i5 in the beginning, and as a stopgap till M1X / M2 / M1+ whatever Mini's are released for the studio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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