iwannalearnfacts Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 With TDR Nova, I'm trying to compress a kick with sidechain set to an 808 (or rather a bussed copy of it, since the 808 itself doesn't appear in the sidechain menu). Nova isn't detecting the 808 signal and I'm unsure why. What's weird is that I'm using TDR Nova on my 808 as well (this one sidechained to my kick), and that one works perfectly. I've double checked the Nova I have on the kick with the Nova I have on the 808 to be sure there aren't any incorrect settings (Ext/Int SC, threshold activation, threshold level), and everything looks the same... yet my kick Nova is dead. Anyone know what I might do to fix this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 With TDR Nova, I'm trying to compress a kick with sidechain set to an 808 (or rather a bussed copy of it, since the 808 itself doesn't appear in the sidechain menu). Is this an older Logic Pro X version? Nova isn't detecting the 808 signal and I'm unsure why. Open the Mixer, make sure there's an Aux with its input set to Bus 20 just to see if there is any signal on that bus. Set the output of the Aux to No Output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwannalearnfacts Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 I'm up to date with Logic (version 10.5.0). In the mixer the Aux is routed like you said (input: bus 20, output: no output). In this screenshot you can see there's a decent signal on the Aux; Nova doesn't seem to be detecting it (i played a short loop during this screenshot just to let Nova kick in, if for some reason it needed time to wake up, but still no avail... the threshold level in Nova is also set very low just in case the displayed level of the Aux is inaccurate). am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwannalearnfacts Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 I tried using a different Dynamic EQ (Waves F6) to see if the problem resided in the plugin itself... but when I use F6, the problem remains. So I'm doing something wrong in my DAW, but can't seem to figure out what that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 If you use Logic's compressor, can you make it work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwannalearnfacts Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 Logic's compressor doesn't work either. Yeah, very odd. Maybe there's something wrong with my computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Logic's compressor doesn't work either. Yeah, very odd. Maybe there's something wrong with my computer Can you try a super simple new project with only two track, one with a drum loop side chained to a compressor on a sustained synth note? If you can't make it work, attach the project here so one of us can have a look. How to attach files to your post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwannalearnfacts Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 It works (see attachment). So then the problem resides in my project itself (maybe in the project settings? or in Ultrabeat where my 808 sample is?). At this point, however, I've exhausted the energy I'm willing to put into identifying the cause of the problem and I need to move on with my mix, so as a makeshift solution I'm using Channel EQ automation instead of Dynamic EQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 At this point, however, I've exhausted the energy I'm willing to put into identifying the cause of the problem and I need to move on with my mix, so as a makeshift solution I'm using Channel EQ automation instead of Dynamic EQ. Ok, understandable. Whatever works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution iwannalearnfacts Posted June 6, 2020 Author Solution Share Posted June 6, 2020 UPDATE: While I haven't 'solved' the problem in the strictest sense, I have found a very practical solution: bouncing the sidechained MIDI track to Audio, and then sidechaining that Audio track. With all the issues I've had with sidechain compression, and sidechain dynamic compression (these problems having existed in forms beyond that presented in this topic)... they went completely away, and the compressors worked perfectly, when I changed the sidechain from the MIDI track to an Audio track equivalent. In theory, I shouldn't have to do this (maybe my computer's crap), but I've heard people say MIDI can be unpredictable compared to audio. I never took that notion to heart, but based on this experience I might begin to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 UPDATE: While I haven't 'solved' the problem in the strictest sense, I have found a very practical solution: bouncing the sidechained MIDI track to Audio, and then sidechaining that Audio track. That sounds convoluted and more work than you need. Why didn't you simply choose the software instrument track as the source for the side chain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwannalearnfacts Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 Because doing that causes issues with the compressor or dynamic compressor (for some reason, I still don't know for sure), one of those issues being my first post in this topic. Again, it could just be my computer, but this method of sidechaining Audio instead of the original Software Instrument seems to fix the problem when it does arise (for me it arises about 40% of the time when I'm using bass drum or bass guitar, for all other instruments the simple method of sidechaining the Software Instrument track like you said works perfectly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewartMitchell Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 A little late, but... I was having a similar issue in a session, my side chain was not working for some reason. For me, it turned out it was because I had low latency mode turned on and it was turning off my side chain compression. As soon as I turned it off it worked like normal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiBosco Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 A little late, but... I was having a similar issue in a session, my side chain was not working for some reason. For me, it turned out it was because I had low latency mode turned on and it was turning off my side chain compression. As soon as I turned it off it worked like normal Thank you so much for this. I was going mad wondering what my issue could be until I read this. I really appreciate you taking the time to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apaclin2 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 A little late, but... I was having a similar issue in a session, my side chain was not working for some reason. For me, it turned out it was because I had low latency mode turned on and it was turning off my side chain compression. As soon as I turned it off it worked like normal Solved for me too, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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