fisherking Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) ok, not so good news (for me, anyway); just installed the first big sur public beta... nine of my 3rd-party plugsin are not loading ("plugin isn't available on your system"). i've tried reinstalling (shows as 'installed'), deleting the audiounit cache; checked that logic is enabled in privacy (in system preferences). tried moving the components out of the AU folder, then back... & rebooting. nothing yet. am trying to figure this out; all my other 3rd-party plugins migrated without issue, so what makes dune 3 or zebra 2 different? they don't show in the plugin manager (along with spire, icarus2... etc). anyone have any suggestions? (besides going back to catalina, which i can do). and anyone who wants to say 'i told you so'... this is your moment. meanwhile, the umbrella academy will have to wait, as i explore this issue tonite (alcohol will be served).... would be great, too, to hear from anyone else running os 11 Edited November 20, 2020 by fisherking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) interesting that u-he plugins (zebra's effects) show up in ozone9 advanced (which works); but u-he does not show up in logic's plugin manager. am open to ideas! am trying everything i can think of, and trying to find the common denominator... EDIT: and no more. the zebra effects did not OPEN in ozone, and, on a rescan, no longer even show. so, for some developers, their AUs will not work in big sur. Edited August 7, 2020 by fisherking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 u-he (zebra, hive) says that big sur has changed things, and that they have to rework th AU's for logic... which they'll do by official OS release (or sometime after). so, back to catalina. so it goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camtas Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 I upgraded my spare 2015 MacBook Pro too yesterday to the Big Sur beta out of curiosity. The Apogee Duet works with the old Catalina driver, however I also had some plugins fail to load (error: "plugin isn't available on your system") on a project. I also cleared the plugin cache and had no success. The ones that were effected for me were Sonarworks & Softtube Wiess. the other 80% Plugin alliance / Waves worked. I saw UHE mention below that Big Sur breaks something for some AU plugins. https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7853092&utm_source=my_latest_posts&utm_medium=rssfeed&utm_content=7853092 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 same error here, and i tried 30 things already (includning resetting smc, nvram; even changing permissions on the 'errant' AUs). someone on macrumors posted that logic works with over-700 plugins, but.. seems unlikely. keeping big sur on my macbook, but on my imac, where logic lives, am going back to 10.15... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 "From now on, I will not load the public betas anymore" fisherking, ca 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 "From now on, I will not load the public betas anymore" fisherking, ca 2019 that sounds suspiciously like me, and that IS my username. but i type everything lowercase, so... parallel universe post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 viewtopic.php?t=141819 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 My suggestion is that you wait for a release version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 My suggestion is that you wait for a release version ha, am surprised to hear that from you... i got thru EVERY beta (not always easily) until big sur, but if i can't use essential plugins, and there's no workaround... i go back (i prepared for the possibility). this time, will wait until the developers confirm compatibility (i emailed all 7 of them this morning). fwiw, big sur is great on my macbook (where logic doesn't live)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 been there.. bailed to cat. there are many problems once you start looking. have you tried a fresh install with data from a TM backup? It sounds like something got scrambled on a hidden file or something. I did notice that the separation of system and data partitions on BS seemed to be more restrictive than on Cat. One thing I did out of desparation was to run a terminal command that allowed writing to the protected partition, and then replaced the auval tool with the "force auvalidation" utility of old, which worked partially to get the plugins seen. But the 3rd party plugins are generally going to be a big mess unless each gets updated. So it's either move on from them, or try to stick with an older ver of OSX as long as you need to. At some point I see the need to get rid of dozens of old plugins (and apps, and tweaks, etc) unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) am restoring from carbon copy cloner (i don't use TM). was prepared... this time. will wait until the developers confirm compatible versions of their plugins; i can live without big sur, but not without zebra, dune3, spire...etc. Edited August 7, 2020 by fisherking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRobinson Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 With Catalina and now with Big Sur, Apple is making big changes to their underlying operating system. If you're trying to do production work, I would leave the public-betas to their intended audience: developers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonljacobi Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 My suggestion is that if you use your computer primarily for music, and it's doing the job--don't mess with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 With Catalina and now with Big Sur, Apple is making big changes to their underlying operating system. If you're trying to do production work, I would leave the public-betas to their intended audience: developers. i have NO issues with logic and all my 3rd-party plugins in catalina; big sur breaks some things, and we'll see fixes from developers... at some point into the final release. but catalina is fine here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactechaudio Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I managed to validate about 1000 plugins in Big Sur doing it this way : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I've watched this 4min video in its entirety (I can't even tell why as my MacPro is not deemed hip enough for BS) and it appears as Mac OS has reached a new pinnacle in intuitiveness and streamlined user experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 it's actually 4:39, so... too long to watch ok, i will watch it later, but right now, am tempted to wait. my experience currently on catalina is perfect (or, perfect enough), and not sure i want to mess with it (you should see some of the workarounds i've been thru on OS betas). still... i will watch it and consider my options. but, either way, looking forward to when the OS is officially out, and u-he, and synapse audio et al, get on it, and we can safely move into apple's latest BS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I have done this procedure in a slightly different way, and am actually using it on Catalina now too as well. It does work for the most part. however, note that it won't keep plugins that just crash or those with blacked out gui's from failing. This utility has been around for years and only recently, with catalina, stopped working without the terminal workarounds because of the new protected location of the au cache. Also, not that after most os point updates you have to redo this procedure since that usually resets the auval file to it's default disable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 someone's reported on macrumors that, with the current big sur beta 9, that formerly-inaccessible 3rd-party plugins are now working. while i'm NOT yet ready to dive back into that insanity (not QUITE yet), wondering if anyone IS on big sur, and noticed this?......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 My suggestion, stay with Catalina and after Big Sur release wait some months. Never touch a running system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRobinson Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 "Computer software like fine wine ... let it age." Customarily, Apple is under some pressure to announce the next big thing at "Dub Dub Dee Cee" (WWDC = World-Wide Developer Conference.) So, they do, "ready or not." I always decline the automatic-upgrade offers and wait at least a month or so after any major OS release is announced, to give the inevitable slew of "hot fixes" time to percolate out. "Interim upgrades" of your present OS are usually not a problem, but major-releases are deeply architectural and much more disruptive. The prodigious complexity of the thing simply means that they're not going to get it all right "first go," no matter how diligently they try. I would also recommend that you ask the developers of important plug-ins about the state of compatibility, and be sure that they're basing it on the release version, not the final public-beta, which might in fact be slightly different. Let other people be the ones to work out the problems, so you can just keep making music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 My timing is pretty simple: When Apogee, UA, Native Instruments, Spectrasonics, and EastWest all say "seems safe to go into the water" I will dive but.... I have a bit identical Carbon Copy Cloner backup all ready first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 i have always dived into the betas, without regret. but i did have to revert to catalina this time. anyway, will reach out to developers, and consider my options (and whether i'm prepared for another possible revert-to-catalina day)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Yesterday I installed Big Sur on an external USB drive to test it. I really like the way it looks, seems really good with Logic Pro, but my Apogee Element 24 and UAD-2 card both don’t work, they apparently need a compatible driver that does not exist yet, so still Catalina for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 Yesterday I installed Big Sur on an external USB drive to test it. I really like the way it looks, seems really good with Logic Pro, but my Apogee Element 24 and UAD-2 card both don’t work, they apparently need a compatible driver that does not exist yet, so still Catalina for now. that's what i'll do at some point (with the official release), but, as you've pointed out, we need updates from 3rd-party developers. (am running big sur on my macbook, where i don't use logic, and like it a lot too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 updated my logic mac to big sur this morning (20 november)... and... (drum roll)... all is well. all 9 plugins that wouldn't load in an early beta all load without issue. i opened numerous projects, and all play. this is good news, as, officially, very few developers have formally okay'd things with big sur. formerly-problematic plugins in the screenshot): also continuing to work: fabfilter, izotope, nuance, phasemotion, pianoteq 7, shaperbox, sonalksis, soothe2, sublab, sylenth1, trackspacer, valhalla dsp, waves so, am back to work, and i don't have to reinstall my cloned catalina backup... and am happy. any other big-sur related experiences, i will report here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 So you don’t use any Kontakt, EW Play, Engine or UVI Workstation stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itzak Girlieman Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Kontakt no workie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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