SoSpiro Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 i have to guess what key command slots i still have open. I have to mentally go down a list and think, "ok, is anything assigned to command + 1? yes? okay...what about option + 1? yes? ok..i'll try shift + 1.....no? ctrl + 1? no?" then i'll have to think of absurd combinations and just play with it and press random keys in the command menu to see if they're assigned. Would be much easier if i knew what keys were available off the bat. Am i able to assign Fn on my mac as a key command to open up more possibilities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Have you tried importing the key commands into a spreadsheet? Using same to sort and filter them (that should ease your quest at least a little). To extract them, from the key-commands assignment window (via Option-K), in the cogwheel menu, use Copy Key Commands to Clipboard. Then, after launching your spreadsheet app, issue a paste command (usualy Cmd-V). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 There are 82 letter/number/sign keys on a normal keyboard and five modifier keys, so there are 14 modifier combinations, which amounts to 1148 possible key commands (not including the fn switch for the top row). Actually it a few less than these as things like command-S or command-Q are pretty much hard-wired (although negotiable through extra software like Keyboard Maestro). So a simple list would be quite impractical. It would be nice to have a display keyboard that shows used keys and reacts to modifier keys, like this: fn is a modifier key, not a letter key, so while it doubles the numbers of function keys, it's not available as a single key. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akitru Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 You may find this helpful, though I've not updated it since the original postf for LPX 10.4.8 viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145812&p=760408#p760223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 There are 82 letter/number/sign keys on a normal keyboard and five modifier keys, so there are 14 modifier combinations, which amounts to 1148 possible key commands (not including the fn switch for the top row). Actually it a few less than these as things like command-S or command-Q are pretty much hard-wired (although negotiable through extra software like Keyboard Maestro). So a simple list would be quite impractical. It would be nice to have a display keyboard that shows used keys and reacts to modifier keys, like this: kcview.gif fn is a modifier key, not a letter key, so while it doubles the numbers of function keys, it's not available as a single key. Are you actually working on such a project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 No, that's a screenshot of Davinci Resolve. It does a couple of things so elegantly and smart that Apple should consider buying them, but then other features leave a lot to be desired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpiro Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 There are 82 letter/number/sign keys on a normal keyboard and five modifier keys, so there are 14 modifier combinations, which amounts to 1148 possible key commands (not including the fn switch for the top row). Actually it a few less than these as things like command-S or command-Q are pretty much hard-wired (although negotiable through extra software like Keyboard Maestro). So a simple list would be quite impractical. It would be nice to have a display keyboard that shows used keys and reacts to modifier keys, like this: kcview.gif fn is a modifier key, not a letter key, so while it doubles the numbers of function keys, it's not available as a single key. something like this would be great, though i don't know how i'd incorporate it with my laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpiro Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 You may find this helpful, though I've not updated it since the original postf for LPX 10.4.8viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145812&p=760408#p760223 spreadsheets....i'm getting PTSD at the thought of it. I'll stick with guessing, but i appreciate the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 something like this would be great, though i don't know how i'd incorporate it with my laptop. It's part of their DaVinci Resolve's Key Commands window, so Apple should just copy it and you would know how you'd incorporate it with your laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 It does look like a truly great way to manage key commands, and with a very easy-on-the-eyes interface on top of that. I would spend hours reprogramming my key commands just to spend time looking at that beautiful GUI. Apple should buy that and Keyboard Maestro and completely revamp their global MacOS input device control mapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akitru Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 spreadsheets....i'm getting PTSD at the thought of it. I'll stick with guessing, but i appreciate the help! LOL, understood. But the first link on that posting is a simple pdf listing of available keystrokes, no spreadsheet required. (You can ignore the rest of the links) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facej Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 I use a little application called "KeyCue" to get closer to a view of what's available... When I want to "hunt" for used/unused keys I often type "option-K" to get the Key Commands window, then press "Pressed", then press keys. I get a list of used keystrokes. I use the "HyperKey" command-control-option-shift a lot. I have that key sequence mapped to CAPS LOCK (BetterTouchTool and/or Karabiner) Maybe not as easy as the screen shot, but I usually just type in the search field of the Key Command window to find things by "name". With over 1,600 commands, well, daunting. I add an exploration of a random key command to my blog every day, only about 1,300 to go...see my signature... KeyCue screen overlay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpiro Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 I use a little application called "KeyCue" to get closer to a view of what's available... When I want to "hunt" for used/unused keys I often type "option-K" to get the Key Commands window, then press "Pressed", then press keys. I get a list of used keystrokes. I use the "HyperKey" command-control-option-shift a lot. I have that key sequence mapped to CAPS LOCK (BetterTouchTool and/or Karabiner) Maybe not as easy as the screen shot, but I usually just type in the search field of the Key Command window to find things by "name". With over 1,600 commands, well, daunting. I add an exploration of a random key command to my blog every day, only about 1,300 to go...see my signature... whoa! thanks for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances O Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Hi Facej Thanks for the tip on KeyCue - I just had a look - the demo version seems limited. Can you confirm that it displays key shortcuts for all LOGIC windows or just the select ones in your screen shot. Also - does it stay open in background on screen or close on key combo selection? My experience with demo: no Key Commands for Score window, and KeyCue closes immediately I let go of 'CMD' key. Is this full paid version behaviour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akitru Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I use the "HyperKey" command-control-option-shift a lot. I have that key sequence mapped to CAPS LOCK (BetterTouchTool and/or Karabiner) Great idea! Will try that out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facej Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 KeyCue only reads the "menus" that are available. There is a lot of fine control in KeyCue which will change its behavior. Any command that Logic says is "keyboard command only" will not show up in KeyCue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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