des99 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Yes, a bit of idle speculation, why not? Now that there is no more "Logic Pro X", and we've "ex-ed the 10" - do we think they will continue the line of Logic "10" for now - ie we'll go to Logic Pro 10.7.x and so on for a while - or do think there'll be perhaps the odd maintenance update for 10.6.x, but it'll go quiet until the big push for Logic Pro 11? (At which point presumably we'll all have to buy it again, as has been standard for Apple's pro apps. We've had 6+ years of Logic 10, after all...) What's your gut feeling, and where will you place your bets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I don't think Apple would charge for the updates. It makes more sense for them to make you buy a new computer. Logic is the bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozinga Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Hard to say, Logic Pro .1 updates are like .5 updates for any other DAW. With the updates since 10.0 they would have easily called the current version Logic Pro 12. So they might do the biggest update ever and call it 10.7 But I feel like they are done with the 10 and we might see the 11 released along with the higher end Apple silicon machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Logic Pro X, Final Cut X seemed to fit well into the OSX era of having 'x' on the end. But i don't see new naming conventions coming with M1, i see no obvious branding like we did with OSX - this whole new era just seems to be very smooth without gimmicks. And i like that "Business as usual" approach. I think Logic will remain a 'pay once' piece of software, and garageband/logic will merge somewhere along the line and become fully scalable across iOS and macOS. Logic already has it's 'simple' mode with the wooden panels - i wonder if this is something which will be exploited more in the future to cater for touch screens. It seems to be that they're wanting to promote a simple, yet efficient ecosystem, and i don't think traditional versions of software which you pay for x.0 upgrades fit into that vision vs a "You always have the latest version" approach. So for me, if there was a new breed of pro apps then I think there's a high chance it will move to an 'always connected' iCloud Pro subscription whereby you get Final cut, Logic, and such apps for a very low monthly fee which includes a decent cloud storage plan. I'm thinking 4.99/month style approach with ~200GB storage. While that would annoy many existing users who prefer perpetual licensing (Dare i say the older userbase?), i think they would knock it out the park across the majority. Imagine being a student and getting 3 months free of the pro plan when buying a new M1 MacBook - it's such an attractive proposition, and incredibly easy to dive straight in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I don't think they are going to update the name officially to LogicPro11. they changed it to have without the X to avoid any linkage to OSX. Now its just called LogicPro. I don't think they are going to make us pay anytime soon either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 I don't think Apple would charge for the updates. Their pattern so far since Apple branded Logic is to charge for major versions (LP7, LP8, LP9, LPX/10) but not charge for updates within those versions (except for a small while around LP7 because of all Sarbanes-Oxley silliness at the time). If LP stays on "10", and goes to eg 10.7, 10.8, I full expect those to continue in the same pattern as up to now (not just on Logic, but in their other pro apps like FCP as well). However, if they go to LP 11, I would expect it to be a major, chargeable upgrade following the established pattern. *If* they went to LP11, but *didn't* charge for it and continued on with free updates, then that would indeed set a precedent for free updates for a long time. So they might do the biggest update ever and call it 10.7 Yep. So you think they's stick with Logic Pro "10" for the forseeable future? We'd get Logic Pro 10.9, 10.10, 10.14 etc? But I feel like they are done with the 10 and we might see the 11 released along with the higher end Apple silicon machines. My gut says more in that direction, I think... I think Logic will remain a 'pay once' piece of software ... So for me, if there was a new breed of pro apps then I think there's a high chance it will move to an 'always connected' iCloud Pro subscription whereby you get Final cut, Logic, and such apps for a very low monthly fee which includes a decent cloud storage plan. I'm thinking 4.99/month style approach with ~200GB storage. I'm hoping that wouldn't be the case, but Apple are driving hard on that services revenue, and getting regular revenue for pro apps would help. Although realistically, it would barely make a blip on the financials... 4.99/mo seems reasonable which is why I think it would be more. Anytime I figure a "reasonable" price to pay for something Apple, I usually need to add on quite a bit more to get to what *they* feel is "reasonable"... I don't think they are going to update the name officially to LogicPro11. they changed it to have without the X to avoid any linkage to OSX. Now its just called LogicPro. I don't think they are going to make us pay anytime soon either. Agree that was why the name change. (Same for Final Cut Pro). So people are largely feeling that we're not "going to 11" in the near future, and that we'll continue to see 10.6.x, 10.7.x etc releases? 10.10.x? At some point that 10 becomes redundant though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronam Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Apple doesn't even call it Logic Pro "X" anymore, making the versioning even more arbitrary than it has already been over the past 7 years. I suspect it'll remain a buy-once-free-updates application into the future. They subsidize the cost of these pro apps through hardware sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I'm hoping that wouldn't be the case, but Apple are driving hard on that services revenue, and getting regular revenue for pro apps would help. Although realistically, it would barely make a blip on the financials...4.99/mo seems reasonable which is why I think it would be more. Well this is the thing, i recently got a new iPad and after setting it up, i then received a notification to claim 3 months of Arcade subscription a, Then i got given 12 months TV+. Notably both services are around the 5 quid a month price. And you're right, it's really obvious that they're hitting the service revenue hard - if it wasn't for buying a new iPad and seeing these notifications i'm quite oblivious to it all. The way i look at is, If they can deliver "all you can eat" style content using third party app-store developers with Arcade, and funding external studios/production companies for their original content on TV+, then to wrap their own pro apps into a package with cloud storage is child's play by comparison. Looking forwards, i'm sure they would rather take the risk and use FCP and LP as 'added value' to boost services like Apple One, than sell those apps individually for a one-off fee every 8+ years to niche users. I'm not saying Logic would become subscription only, but i think the monthly offerings will be where the carrot is dangled - hence a low monthly price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 My guess would be that they follow the MacOS convention and name it Logic Pro 11. I wouldn't be surprised if they're waiting for some rather big changes for that major update, and in that case I wouldn't be surprised if they charge us $199 for it. As for the major changes? How about being able to run Logic Pro 11 on your iOS devices (iPad, iPhone, but also, who knows, some new iDevice we haven't heard of yet). Compatibility with the subscription-based Logic Pro Cloud server which allows for real time remote collaboration and offline Logic project backup and storage. Things like that that would make it a larger departure from earlier versions than the latest incremental GUI or MacOS-catching-up updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Cubase has some very comfortable functions which would really useful in Logic Pro 11 as well, like Chord Track and Chord Assistant: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... stpro Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 As for the major changes? How about being able to run Logic Pro 11 on your iOS devices (iPad, iPhone, but also, who knows, some new iDevice we haven't heard of yet). they showed this by changing the logic icon , logic icon now looks like ipad app style but 11 hope it meets expectations on the audio side, example * Logic does not have a high Q Internal time stretch algorithm required : (ZTX PRO, SERATO v3, Zplane Elastique V3) * Clip gain (each Regions) * Clip Insert FX (Region Insert FX) * Plugin Thumbrail /Drag/Drop * Search Plugin * Better Browser (support Meta Data) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... David Nahmani Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 they showed this by changing the logic icon , logic icon now looks like ipad app style That's just the new Big Sur icon format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Mania Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Also: Where are DAWS heading technologically? In the last decade or two there were a lot of advancements. Like Melodyne and flex pitch and the drummers function was born in logic, awesome new synths etc. These all required a more and more powerful computer. Feels like the new M1 Macs caught up and can handle all. What new functions can we expect in the future that would require even more powerful computers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... triplets Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 What new functions can we expect in the future that would require even more powerful computers? Computers interpreting music for you, so you don't have to practice/edit anything anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... des99 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 Also a lot more AI/machine learning stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... triplets Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 SKYNET is waiting patiently.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... des99 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 SKYNET is waiting patiently.... ...in your SolarWinds network hardware globally, probably... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... David Nahmani Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Computers interpreting music for you, so you don't have to practice/edit anything anymore. As in, you just play the chord progression and Logic finds a guitar solo for you? :lol: (private joke: I actually went to music school with triplets and know his extraordinary talents as a guitar soloist) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... triplets Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Good one David! You know humanity is not gonna stop until a robot writes, plays and sings a song, not necessarily with a guitar solo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Eriksimon Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Hard to say,Logic Pro .1 updates are like .5 updates for any other DAW. With the updates since 10.0 they would have easily called the current version Logic Pro 12. So they might do the biggest update ever and call it 10.7 But I feel like they are done with the 10 and we might see the 11 released along with the higher end Apple silicon machines. That would not really make sense, since 10.6 is already the "Silicon" version... I mean, it is not a hybrid like the PPC/Universal binary thing there was for a while with the PPC/Intel transition, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... des99 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 Yes, it contains both Intel and M1 binaries, just like the universal binaries for the Intel/PPC thing. Exactly the same technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Mania Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 What new functions can we expect in the future that would require even more powerful computers? Computers interpreting music for you, so you don't have to practice/edit anything anymore. Oh no! No more fun then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... stpro Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Also: Where are DAWS heading technologically? In the last decade or two there were a lot of advancements. Like Melodyne and flex pitch and the drummers function was born in logic, awesome new synths etc. These all required a more and more powerful computer. Feels like the new M1 Macs caught up and can handle all. What new functions can we expect in the future that would require even more powerful computers? I think if Dolby Atmos support comes in then things can change, Dolby ATMOS currently only available in Nuendo 11 and Pro Tools Ultimate, If Logic does it with Dolby Atmos Native one day, serious power may be required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... triplets Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Oh no! No more fun then? You know how it goes: the more we expect Logic to do on its own, the lazier we gonna get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... ozinga Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Hard to say,Logic Pro .1 updates are like .5 updates for any other DAW. With the updates since 10.0 they would have easily called the current version Logic Pro 12. So they might do the biggest update ever and call it 10.7 But I feel like they are done with the 10 and we might see the 11 released along with the higher end Apple silicon machines. That would not really make sense, since 10.6 is already the "Silicon" version... I mean, it is not a hybrid like the PPC/Universal binary thing there was for a while with the PPC/Intel transition, is it? Because I feel like 10.6 was a rushed out version just to be compatible with the Apple Silicon from day one for the entry level machines. We will start to see more powered machines towards the end of the year and that might be a good timing for the big update. If there is one ever planned that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... xchrisxtopher Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 subscription-based Logic Pro Cloud server which allows for real time remote collaboration and offline Logic project backup and storage. This is something I'm dying to see come to fruition. Between iCloud, Facetime, and Messages, seems like Apple has all the tech they need to deliver a great collaboration/backing up solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 88keys Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a virtual bass player to go along with Drummer in the next version. Something to take on Toontracks EZ Bass. “Bassist?” Nah. “Bass Player.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... blinkofani Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a virtual bass player to go along with Drummer in the next version. Something to take on Toontracks EZ Bass. “Bassist?” Nah. “Bass Player.” Hopefully we would get a Geddy L. And Chris S. in the bassist list.... Blink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... xchrisxtopher Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a virtual bass player to go along with Drummer in the next version. Something to take on Toontracks EZ Bass. “Bassist?” Nah. “Bass Player.” I think this as well. With the sun setting on the Music Memos app, the bass player feature has to have a home somewhere Music memos also had the ability to identify chords and key. When 10.6 was released there was a non-functioning Chord Track available in the Global Track Lanes until it was removed in the 10.6.1 update. A hint of things to come? Also - anyone notice the Smart Drums feature in GarageBand iOS? I don't remember if this is new or not. Seems like a good deal of fun though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... skijumptoes Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Also - anyone notice the Smart Drums feature in GarageBand iOS? I don't remember if this is new or not. Seems like a good deal of fun though! "fun" for some maybe, i prefer to copy large amounts of audio files into different DAWs, mix them down and see if they perfectly null. That's what music is all about today, right? A DAW that can automate that process would really increase my null testing output infinitely. 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stpro Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 As for the major changes? How about being able to run Logic Pro 11 on your iOS devices (iPad, iPhone, but also, who knows, some new iDevice we haven't heard of yet). they showed this by changing the logic icon , logic icon now looks like ipad app style but 11 hope it meets expectations on the audio side, example * Logic does not have a high Q Internal time stretch algorithm required : (ZTX PRO, SERATO v3, Zplane Elastique V3) * Clip gain (each Regions) * Clip Insert FX (Region Insert FX) * Plugin Thumbrail /Drag/Drop * Search Plugin * Better Browser (support Meta Data) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 they showed this by changing the logic icon , logic icon now looks like ipad app style That's just the new Big Sur icon format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Also: Where are DAWS heading technologically? In the last decade or two there were a lot of advancements. Like Melodyne and flex pitch and the drummers function was born in logic, awesome new synths etc. These all required a more and more powerful computer. Feels like the new M1 Macs caught up and can handle all. What new functions can we expect in the future that would require even more powerful computers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 What new functions can we expect in the future that would require even more powerful computers? Computers interpreting music for you, so you don't have to practice/edit anything anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 Also a lot more AI/machine learning stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 SKYNET is waiting patiently.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 SKYNET is waiting patiently.... ...in your SolarWinds network hardware globally, probably... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Computers interpreting music for you, so you don't have to practice/edit anything anymore. As in, you just play the chord progression and Logic finds a guitar solo for you? :lol: (private joke: I actually went to music school with triplets and know his extraordinary talents as a guitar soloist) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Good one David! You know humanity is not gonna stop until a robot writes, plays and sings a song, not necessarily with a guitar solo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriksimon Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Hard to say,Logic Pro .1 updates are like .5 updates for any other DAW. With the updates since 10.0 they would have easily called the current version Logic Pro 12. So they might do the biggest update ever and call it 10.7 But I feel like they are done with the 10 and we might see the 11 released along with the higher end Apple silicon machines. That would not really make sense, since 10.6 is already the "Silicon" version... I mean, it is not a hybrid like the PPC/Universal binary thing there was for a while with the PPC/Intel transition, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 Yes, it contains both Intel and M1 binaries, just like the universal binaries for the Intel/PPC thing. Exactly the same technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 What new functions can we expect in the future that would require even more powerful computers? Computers interpreting music for you, so you don't have to practice/edit anything anymore. Oh no! No more fun then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpro Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Also: Where are DAWS heading technologically? In the last decade or two there were a lot of advancements. Like Melodyne and flex pitch and the drummers function was born in logic, awesome new synths etc. These all required a more and more powerful computer. Feels like the new M1 Macs caught up and can handle all. What new functions can we expect in the future that would require even more powerful computers? I think if Dolby Atmos support comes in then things can change, Dolby ATMOS currently only available in Nuendo 11 and Pro Tools Ultimate, If Logic does it with Dolby Atmos Native one day, serious power may be required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Oh no! No more fun then? You know how it goes: the more we expect Logic to do on its own, the lazier we gonna get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozinga Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Hard to say,Logic Pro .1 updates are like .5 updates for any other DAW. With the updates since 10.0 they would have easily called the current version Logic Pro 12. So they might do the biggest update ever and call it 10.7 But I feel like they are done with the 10 and we might see the 11 released along with the higher end Apple silicon machines. That would not really make sense, since 10.6 is already the "Silicon" version... I mean, it is not a hybrid like the PPC/Universal binary thing there was for a while with the PPC/Intel transition, is it? Because I feel like 10.6 was a rushed out version just to be compatible with the Apple Silicon from day one for the entry level machines. We will start to see more powered machines towards the end of the year and that might be a good timing for the big update. If there is one ever planned that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xchrisxtopher Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 subscription-based Logic Pro Cloud server which allows for real time remote collaboration and offline Logic project backup and storage. This is something I'm dying to see come to fruition. Between iCloud, Facetime, and Messages, seems like Apple has all the tech they need to deliver a great collaboration/backing up solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88keys Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a virtual bass player to go along with Drummer in the next version. Something to take on Toontracks EZ Bass. “Bassist?” Nah. “Bass Player.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkofani Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a virtual bass player to go along with Drummer in the next version. Something to take on Toontracks EZ Bass. “Bassist?” Nah. “Bass Player.” Hopefully we would get a Geddy L. And Chris S. in the bassist list.... Blink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xchrisxtopher Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a virtual bass player to go along with Drummer in the next version. Something to take on Toontracks EZ Bass. “Bassist?” Nah. “Bass Player.” I think this as well. With the sun setting on the Music Memos app, the bass player feature has to have a home somewhere Music memos also had the ability to identify chords and key. When 10.6 was released there was a non-functioning Chord Track available in the Global Track Lanes until it was removed in the 10.6.1 update. A hint of things to come? Also - anyone notice the Smart Drums feature in GarageBand iOS? I don't remember if this is new or not. Seems like a good deal of fun though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Also - anyone notice the Smart Drums feature in GarageBand iOS? I don't remember if this is new or not. Seems like a good deal of fun though! "fun" for some maybe, i prefer to copy large amounts of audio files into different DAWs, mix them down and see if they perfectly null. That's what music is all about today, right? A DAW that can automate that process would really increase my null testing output infinitely. Infact, if it could also check forums and post sarcastic replies which i have to add smilies to show i'm only joking, i'd have hours to spare a week. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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