DanRad Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I'm doing a part that goes back and forth between Tenor and Flute. The piece is in Concert C major. When I insert the tenor clef, I get a key signature (D). When I go back to flute the key signature goes away, but I can't seem to get the two naturals reminding the player that C and F are now natural. I've tried creating two notes (F and C natural) forcing the accidental, but I can't seem to make the head disappear and leave the naturals. (I'm on LP 10.3.3 for grumpy reasons... Was this a bug?) How can I "force" those naturals or key change? Here I have the tenor clef region highlighted, you can see where I switch to a region that's non transposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volovicg Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 DanRad - I am having a hard time understanding exactly the you mean.... Are you talking about key signature accidentals...? see image..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanRad Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 Thanks for the response As you can see from the screen shot, I'm using multiple regions to generate the part. One is a Tenor Sax clef, the other a concert treble clef. When I switch regions, the transposition changes, but it is not helped by the insertion of two naturals as you can see by the screenshot. In that shot, you can see that the first region is higlighted (being green) and the next is not. Though it changes to "No sharps or flats" there are not "naturals" to help indicate this change. In your screen shot, I'm assuming that it's one region with an inserted key change. My inelegant fix was to do it all in one region, change the key to D and transpose all the notes up appropriately. It doesn't play back properly, but it looks right... but I'm hoping for a more elegant solution. Thanks DanRad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volovicg Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 No mine are two regions as yours? Did you insert a C key change from the part box ? Do you mind sharing all or some of your project so I can take a look...but to be clear what I show in my example is what you are after correct ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanRad Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 There is no key change. Just a clef change. From Concert Treble to a Tenor Sax and back. I have tried dragging the key of C in... but it's already in the key of C. Maybe tomorrow I'll share a simplified project with this part. Thanks dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gacki Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 I see the problem: You're trying to switch from a transposing instrument to a non-transposing one. Not sure if Logic can handle this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volovicg Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 First this would be far easier if I had your project, because I am still guessing at assumptions...... 1/ You have two regions on the same track. 2/ The first region is in the key of D ( no transposing staff style) - Is that correct or do you have a transposing staff style for the first region? 3/ 2nd Region you want in the key of C - so you are using a transposing staff style.; 4/ with the above - you want the key change accidentals to show up.... correct ? So here is an example..... There will be two parts to this explanation.... we will do one first and then other... A/ how do you get it to look right in the score. B/ how do you get it to play right.... ( I will show you this once we get A correct). If I am completely off base let me know... but again uploading your project or a portion of it will speed this process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanRad Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 Thanks for the replies. Haven't had time to make a sendable version...:/ BUT...to reiterate: There is no key change. Just an INSTRUMENT change. From Concert Treble (written in C major) to a Tenor Sax (Written in D major) and back. I can't seem to "Force" those two naturals to show up. UNLESS I use one region, make an actual key change and transpose the actual notes, thus creating a part that is a 9th off of the desired notes. (Workable, but not ideal) Thanks for the help. DanRad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volovicg Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Could you please tell me if my picture is your objective or not. Yes or No..... And I am referring to a key change in signature not a key change in performance. I understand both will sound the same key when playing, but in order to do that with a concert pitch instrument and a transposed instruments the key signatures need to be different in order for them to play in the same key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanRad Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 Thanks for the post, Yes. That looks right. Just trying to insert two naturals to indicate that the key SIGNATURE is now C Major. So... what's the secret and will it work with 10.3.3 or 10.4.8? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volovicg Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 I think based on this conversation ( which always makes me think when asked by you).... Instead of trying to have logic automatically insert them ( which is how I did my example above)... I think you might be better served by just grabbing the natural symbol from the part box and inserting them where you want without any concern for automatic natural cancellations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanRad Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 Doh! Here I was trying to make my own pencil by carving wood, making graphite and gluing it together with home grown and cured rubber for an eraser, and all I had to do was go to CVS and buy one! Such an easy solution. Thanks. DanRad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volovicg Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 That is what I like... making the complex.... simple... of course you started with really just wanting to turn on the lights and asked to figure out how to get to high voltage electrical signal into your home with a step down transformer to 60hz so you can see in the dark... Just flip the switch Have a good weekend !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanRad Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 As we say in my tribe..."I'll just sit in the dark." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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