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jimbobbley
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Fri May 07, 2021 9:08 am

Mac mini user (2018) here on Catalina 10.15.7 and just updated to 10.6.2 without thinking about it (and without backing up the previous version.. I know, I know). I am experiencing the same massive PDC issues in projects which used to run absolutely fine. It is maddening, made even more so by the fact I should've known better than to update without backing up and also by Apple's complete lack of support for rolling back a version in the event of any problems. My projects are all screwed now. Thanks Apple!
 
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Sat May 08, 2021 11:54 am

I forgot that I had automatic updates for my apps in MacOS. So I had not made a backup of logic 10.6.1. And my automatic backup solution (backblaze) do not do backups of system files and such. Now logic 10.6.2 makes almost all my projects crash (console 1) and the rest totally out of sync. I am really desperate here. What can I do?
 
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Sat May 08, 2021 7:00 pm

Have you tried this troubleshooting rundown?
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Sat May 08, 2021 11:24 pm

Yes. Unfortunately all my problems are known bugs in 10.6.2.
 
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Mon May 10, 2021 6:38 am

Have been happily working with 10.6.2 in the last week or two, but now opened an old project, and the sync is off by a mile. I've got for eg. Trackspacer on some of my groups (like making room for a vocal on a synth bus/group, well, aux it really is) and no worki. Unzipping my 10.6.1 app and running the same project with it = sync is fine. Grrrrrrrrh. How can something this significant slip thru their beta/quality control cycle?
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Mon May 10, 2021 11:08 am

My strategy now is to use 10.6.1 with older projects and 10.6.2 when I start brand new projects.
Ofcourse we don’t know what surprises there will be in the next update :/
 
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Mon May 10, 2021 12:13 pm

After sending feedback I've received an email from someone in their Audio / MIDI department (which has never happened before), so they must know it's a problem. I've packaged up a smaller version of the track which is giving me issues in 10.6.2 and will send to them as requested so fingers crossed they can start to get to grips with it. Whatever it is they did to 'fix' the problem has clearly broken something else which was working fine. And no-one thought to test old projects in 10.6.2 either, apparently. Trebles all round!
 
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Tue May 11, 2021 2:47 am

jimbobbley wrote:
After sending feedback I've received an email from someone in their Audio / MIDI department (which has never happened before), so they must know it's a problem. I've packaged up a smaller version of the track which is giving me issues in 10.6.2 and will send to them as requested so fingers crossed they can start to get to grips with it. Whatever it is they did to 'fix' the problem has clearly broken something else which was working fine. And no-one thought to test old projects in 10.6.2 either, apparently. Trebles all round!


Apple have contacted a few of us directly about this also, which is encouraging. I just hope a it's not going to be years before we see a fix.
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Sat May 15, 2021 5:33 am

Can confirm that some older projects are out of sync in 10.6.2, hope there'll be a fix.
 
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Sat May 15, 2021 6:25 am

So, it seems a lot of people are having issues with older projects in 10.6.2.

But for those who have now been working on new projects in 10.6.2: how has it been? Have you come across any PDC/ADC issues with new big projects on the latest update?
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TimWellens
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Sat May 15, 2021 8:43 am

No,till now 10.6.2 works good for me!
For projects started in 10.6.1 I only use 10.6.1.
Projects started in 10.6.2 currently working without any timing issues,although these are not real big projects atm.
I keep a close eye on this thread,timing is everything. Or how a small update can have HUGE implications;)
 
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Sat May 15, 2021 8:58 am

There is at least this remaining issue in 10.6.2 that was identified by someone on Gearspace: If you have a latency causing plugin on an aux track and you are sending audio to it from a regular track, that audio will correctly have PDC added, but any sidechained audio will not add PDC. So that will cause compressors to be out of time if you're using sidechain (unless you send the sidechain source to another aux and go aux-to-aux for sidechaining).

I sent feedback to Apple and likewise received an email back from them asking for an example project, which I duly sent. That was a few days ago. Looks like they want to get on top of this.
 
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Sat May 15, 2021 3:12 pm

TimWellens wrote:
No,till now 10.6.2 works good for me!


Great! Good to know! :D
I'll start some new projects in 10.6.2 and see how it goes.
I'll keep 10.6.1 for the older projects of mine.

Probably a very stupid question, but does anyone know if it mess with the system to have two different Logic versions in your Applications folder? I'd imagine not, but thought I'd ask anyways.

TimWellens wrote:
I keep a close eye on this thread,timing is everything. Or how a small update can have HUGE implications;)


Yup, exactly the same thing I'm doing! Keeping an eye on the conversations. :mrgreen:

onerob wrote:
There is at least this remaining issue in 10.6.2 that was identified by someone on Gearspace: If you have a latency causing plugin on an aux track and you are sending audio to it from a regular track, that audio will correctly have PDC added, but any sidechained audio will not add PDC. So that will cause compressors to be out of time if you're using sidechain (unless you send the sidechain source to another aux and go aux-to-aux for sidechaining).


Ok, very good to know, thanks for sharing!
So, my sidechain setup is an instrument track with Klopfgeist loaded up (basically acting as a ghost kick), which is sending signal to an Aux track via Bus 1 with no output, and then I use that bus 1 for sidechaining in the Logic compressor. I'm assuming with this routing, PDC will not be added, right?

onerob wrote:
I sent feedback to Apple and likewise received an email back from them asking for an example project, which I duly sent. That was a few days ago. Looks like they want to get on top of this.


Well, that's super promising! Keep us updated on whether you hear anything back from them! :D
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Sat May 15, 2021 4:39 pm

So, my sidechain setup is an instrument track with Klopfgeist loaded up (basically acting as a ghost kick), which is sending signal to an Aux track via Bus 1 with no output, and then I use that bus 1 for sidechaining in the Logic compressor. I'm assuming with this routing, PDC will not be added, right?


I think, if I'm picturing it correctly, that you will have PDC working (correctly added) with that configuration, which is what you want. But if your compressor was placed on an aux track, and that aux track had a latency inducing plugin as well, then you wouldn't want to feed the compressor's sidechain with the Klopfgeist track itself, but only from another aux track that Klopfgeist was being sent to. And that's what you've set up, by the sounds of things.

The problem occurs when a lack of PDC is added to the sidechain signal, causing the compressor to be triggered too early. But it only seems to happen in the specific scenario described above, so you don't have to worry when sidechaining between two regular tracks, for instance.
 
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Re: Logic 10.6.2. Release Notes

Mon May 17, 2021 8:42 am

The thing about all of this that has surprised me is that I had assumed that whatever solution Apple would finally come up with would have to be in the form of a Song Setting: “Pre-10.6.3 PDC vs. Post 10.6.3” because clearly when the solution does come, people will have been doing all kinds of workarounds to get their tracks back in sync, and any new PDC is going to render those settings useless, as we have been seeing. The only satisfactory solution will be the ability to select the old method to carry on working with old tunes. The fact that Apple did not do this and instead are going with a blanket solution is what I find worrying . .
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