ozinga Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Interesting to see a first time info about an upcoming Logic Pro feature https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/06/apple-musics-zane-lowe-explains-how-spatial-audio-will-transform-music/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Wow indeed! Thanks for adding this, very exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Quadrophonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfort Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Perhaps a different nugget or two re. distribution in these articles: https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/08/spatial-audio-tools-logic-pro/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/30/apple-spatial-audio-indie-artists-distributors/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 until the if-&-when moment something like this becomes a standard (meaning spotify, tidal, amazon, etc etc), it's just an apple gimmick (no matter how good it is). for those of us who don't live exclusively in the apple walled garden, it's not useful (altho, to be fair, it IS interesting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopsinner Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 until the if-&-when moment something like this becomes a standard (meaning spotify, tidal, amazon, etc etc), it's just an apple gimmick (no matter how good it is). for those of us who don't live exclusively in the apple walled garden, it's not useful (altho, to be fair, it IS interesting). I don't think its a gimmick, it's Dolby Atmos, a standard which has been used widely in cinemas for I dunno how many years already. It's not a gimmicky technology that Apple developed, its an adoption of Dolby Atmos and Apple just gave it a new name. Dolby Atmos has been used in games, VR, movies, and now in music. I have no doubt we are going in the direction where most consumers would want an immersive experience. Not just apple music, I doubt it very much. The rest of music streaming services will soon follow I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 jesus, i need to redesign my studio - this is scary lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 until the if-&-when moment something like this becomes a standard (meaning spotify, tidal, amazon, etc etc), it's just an apple gimmick (no matter how good it is). for those of us who don't live exclusively in the apple walled garden, it's not useful (altho, to be fair, it IS interesting). I don't think its a gimmick, it's Dolby Atmos, a standard which has been used widely in cinemas for I dunno how many years already. It's not a gimmicky technology that Apple developed, its an adoption of Dolby Atmos and Apple just gave it a new name. Dolby Atmos has been used in games, VR, movies, and now in music. I have no doubt we are going in the direction where most consumers would want an immersive experience. Not just apple music, I doubt it very much. The rest of music streaming services will soon follow I hope. my apologies, i thought it was an apple technology that supported dolby atmos; if it is simply access to the dolby system... that's great (i have dolby atmos on my home cinema setup, i get it). cool that logic support is coming, but we'll see if spotify et al add support for atmos directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Here's a link that shares more info: https://professionalsupport.dolby.com/s/article/Dolby-Atmos-Music-Getting-Started-with-Logic-Pro?language=en_US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopsinner Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) jesus, i need to redesign my studio - this is scary lol and you need to hook some monitors on the ceilings as well, lol. Edited June 8, 2021 by loopsinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopsinner Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 my apologies, i thought it was an apple technology that supported dolby atmos; if it is simply access to the dolby system... that's great (i have dolby atmos on my home cinema setup, i get it) Lol, no worries. Apple tricked us by calling it Spatial Audio when it really is just Dolby Atmos implementation. .. cool that logic support is coming, but we'll see if spotify et al add support for atmos directly. With the current trend of augmented reality and snapchat filters, it's just a matter of time before even TikTok will adopt Dolby Atmos for an extra immersive experience of teenagers dancing to spacial audio with a unicorn head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enossified Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Quadrophonic I just sold the last of my 1970s quad audio gear last year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredBegin Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Nothing on Ambisonic HOA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookatthisguy Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I started thinking about this when the feature was first announced. Soo… we're all going to have to get used to mixing in surround then, essentially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopsinner Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Soo… we're all going to have to get used to mixing in surround then, essentially? I don't think so. I think big music labels gonna use 2 different mixing services and treat it like how the movie industry deals with a movie. A video editing guy is capable to do special effects and color grading himself, but the movie industry often hires separate companies to do the editing, color grading, and special effects - because they aim for the highest quality and only trust people/companies with specific skillset. Plus, there's only a handful of certified Dolby mixing studio in this world (https://professional.dolby.com/cinema/industry/content-services/studios-with-dolby-premier-studio-certification/). But mixing for indie artists with tight budget, maybe that will be a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/05/18/apples-spatial-audio-and-dolby-atmos-explained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zplane Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 My understanding is Nuendo is the only DAW currently with Dolby Atmos (licensed) codecs in the box. If you are a film composer doing 5.1, 5.1.4, 7.1, 7.1.4 surround ... etc., then authoring for these multi-channel formats is something you could need. I think Cubase/Nuendo includes multi-channel surround setups via the control room. (BTW - There's a not too bad promotion to cross-grade from Cubase Pro to Nunedo until the end of June). But it will be interesting to see how far Apple goes in providing tools like codecs compared to maybe upmixing into immersive audio and/or advanced surround formats. PA and Waves I think already have plugins for this. It's a bigger investment and I think harder to setup up a room for more than just stereo using subwoofers, overhead speakers etc. Some people build home theaters designed for multichannel sound (especially during the pandemic). I'm not sold immersive or 3D audio created thru stereo playback will become a popular consumer format. You need good phase coherence, monitor alignment etc. between the left and right transducers to reproduce 3D audio effects. Gaming and VR helmets can help with control over where the transducers are w.r.t your ears but the fidelity is not as good compared to external monitors. There's been some success with creating 3D spatial audio from stereo in the past with schemes like Q-Sound - but you needed a very accurate monitoring setup for it. The DSP is better now, but in some ways "everything old is new again". Multi-channel sound is great in well-equipped and calibrated theaters. It's a good source of revenue for the film and audio industry and still gives most consumers an experience they can't get at home. At some point they will run out of overhead and surround channels to add though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Pro Tools supports atmos as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musos Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I listened to several tracks with Spatial Audio using compatible earphones (Beats Flex) and I'm severely unimpressed. You simply get the illusion of a widened stereo audio field, similar to binaural audio. I have a surround audio system but it isn't Dolby Atmos capable, so I can't test whether or not Apple's tracks output full surround or not. I have been working in surround/quad lately and the experience is WAY superior, for me at least. I'm surprised that Apple has no facility to stream or download actual surround mixes thus far. Does anyone know of somewhere on the Web that sells or streams high quality surround mixes? I haven't found one yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I listened to several tracks with Spatial Audio using compatible earphones (Beats Flex) and I'm severely unimpressed.You simply get the illusion of a widened stereo audio field, similar to binaural audio. I have a surround audio system but it isn't Dolby Atmos capable, so I can't test whether or not Apple's tracks output full surround or not. I have been working in surround/quad lately and the experience is WAY superior, for me at least. I'm surprised that Apple has no facility to stream or download actual surround mixes thus far. Does anyone know of somewhere on the Web that sells or streams high quality surround mixes? I haven't found one yet. youtube has some; search for 'surround', or '5.1', etc... any term you think might work. we listened to pink floyd's 'echoes' in surround recently; amazing stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musos Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 youtube has some; search for 'surround', or '5.1', etc... any term you think might work. @fisherking: Thanks, but I was thinking more in terms of where I could place my own surround mixes either for sale or streaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 youtube has some; search for 'surround', or '5.1', etc... any term you think might work. @fisherking: Thanks, but I was thinking more in terms of where I could place my own surround mixes either for sale or streaming. unlisted files on youtube? then only the people you give the link to have access... (or private, where you need to add their email address)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musos Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Thanks - I'll check that out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I listened to a few Apple Music spatial mixes. what i thought worked well: Taylor Swift - Folklore Billie Eilish - No time to die a lot of other just sounded like cheap reverb over everything. yuck. If that was mixed in an Atmos certified studio and not just pulled through some cheap-ass "upmix" plugin i'll eat my M1 macbook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I listened to a few Apple Music spatial mixes.what i thought worked well: Taylor Swift - Folklore Billie Eilish - No time to die a lot of other just sounded like cheap reverb over everything. yuck. If that was mixed in an Atmos certified studio and not just pulled through some cheap-ass "upmix" plugin i'll eat my M1 macbook what i'm getting from this is: i can just put cheap reverb over everything, & all my new work will be 'spatial audio-ready'.... cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValliSoftware Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 youtube has some; search for 'surround', or '5.1', etc... any term you think might work. @fisherking: Thanks, but I was thinking more in terms of where I could place my own surround mixes either for sale or streaming. There's others but explore these two https://aws.amazon.com/products/?nc2=h_ql_prod https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musos Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 There's others but explore these two https://aws.amazon.com/products/?nc2=h_ql_prod https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/ Thanks, but still not what I want. Ideally I'd like Apple Music for Surround files, but that's not likely to happen since they just got married to Atmos and Spatial Audio. Spotify doesn't offer surround files either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 There's others but explore these two https://aws.amazon.com/products/?nc2=h_ql_prod https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/ Thanks, but still not what I want. Ideally I'd like Apple Music for Surround files, but that's not likely to happen since they just got married to Atmos and Spatial Audio. Spotify doesn't offer surround files either. and youtube won't work? i mean, you can get a free account, upload surround files, make them 'unlisted' (so only people with the link can access them... if you want). doesn't this do what you want? doesn't seem to be a lot of other choices, if you want the files streaming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValliSoftware Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 There's others but explore these two https://aws.amazon.com/products/?nc2=h_ql_prod https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/ Thanks, but still not what I want. Ideally I'd like Apple Music for Surround files, but that's not likely to happen since they just got married to Atmos and Spatial Audio. Spotify doesn't offer surround files either. This is exactly what you're looking for. AWS Azure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musos Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 and youtube won't work? i mean, you can get a free account, upload surround files, make them 'unlisted' (so only people with the link can access them... if you want). doesn't this do what you want? doesn't seem to be a lot of other choices, if you want the files streaming... And how does anyone find me and my music on youtube if the files are unlisted? Even if I have my own channel, it would be lost in the thousand gazillion channels of cute kitten movies and youtube narcissists. I suppose I'm really griping about the fact that Apple Music has made a big deal out of what seems to me to be a somewhat gimmicky uber-stereo product (Spatial Audio) but has ignored true surround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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