Solution Bebop26 Posted June 13, 2021 Solution Share Posted June 13, 2021 Hi ! I have this problem : everytime I record MIDI notes from a MIDI controller keyboard, the notes are recorded twice. In the piano roll, if I delete a note, I still have the exact same note hidden under the first note that I just deleted. Needless to say, this is annoying because I have to do everything twice If I do some editing in the piano roll... I have no idea where to look to fin the cause of this problem. Can someone help me ? Thanks so much in advance. Have a good day ! Pierre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 What keyboard controller? Perhaps you have it in layer mode so it’s sending two sets of notes on different MIDI channels... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 Well, I hope it is not the case, because the software to operate my keyboard is not anymore compatible with my macOS, Big Sur. My controller is a M-Audio Hammer88... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 My M-Audio Hammer 88 Preset editor app gives me a blank window when I open it, but I might be able to send a Preset. If someone reading this has a Hammer 88 and could send me a Preset with no layer, no nothing special, just a simple Preset for a MIDI controller of 88 notes, as standard as possible, I would try to send it to the device to see if it solves my problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Yes, it supports layers: "Multiple keyboard zones for layering, splits and 4-note chords with a single key press" So you'll need to turn off all zones except zone 1, as you've probably got two zones playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 Yes, but my Editor does not work with Big Sur, my Mac OS... so I can't change anything anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 I have this problem : everytime I record MIDI notes from a MIDI controller keyboard, the notes are recorded twice. Hi Pierre. Is the problem with any MIDI controller keyboard? Or only the one you named later in this topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 Hum... good question. I will have to get my DX-7 out of the closet and install it to make this test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Hum... good question. I will have to get my DX-7 out of the closet and install it to make this test. Yes, that would be a good test. You could also test out the behavior when using Window > Show Musical Typing and using your Mac keyboard. That's a quick test to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 By the way, I forgot to say Thanks to des99 and to David. Thanks to you, guys ! I will try to use another controller... and I will try the Mac Keyboard as you suggest, David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 You're welcome! We're here to help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 David, the musical typing is OK, no notes in double. Does it necessarily mean that my controller is the problem or you still suggest that I connect another keyboard ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 there's no midi thru thing happening? aren't doubled-notes sometimes a symptom of midi thru, where the signal returns to the controller, and goes back out again...? just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 I will check this option too, later today, because now I need to give some help to my old father... (He's 98 !) Thanks to all of you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 It could be the an issue with the keyboard but it's most likely your routing, or a setting. How is the keyboard connected exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 I really appreciate your help, David. Are you some kind of a Bodhisattva ? A soul that comes back on earth to help people, in the Buddhist philosophy... ! I think I might have things badly connected. I remember I had some problems when I first connected my controller keyboard to Logic. When I found a way where my playing could be recorded, I kept things like that, but there might be a problem with my connections, I agree with you. Tomorrow morning, I will check everything, connect a DX7, make some tests, and I will come back to this thread. Thanks a lot ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Hahaha Ok check everything and run your tests, then report back. Also if you can, detail exactly what connections you have between the different equipment and your Mac: what type of cables, connected from where to where. For example if you have a MIDI cable going MIDI Out from the keyboard to MIDI In on an a MIDI interface connected via USB to your Mac, plus a USB cable connected from the keyboard to the Mac, then that could explain the doubled MIDI notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 David, fisherking and des99 : I found the problem. In fact, my M-Audio keyboard was connected to my Mac with a USB cable AND to my MIDI interface with a MIDI cable. I don't know why I did connect things this way, 2 years ago. In my mind, I think there HAD to be a MIDI connection somewhere, I could not figure that a simple USB connection would do the job (I was coming from an old MIDI era where connections where MIDI and Firewire !). To solve my problem, I just disconnect the MIDI OUT cable of my M-audio Hammer 88 and BAM, everything was now fine ! Indeed, the problem was with my routing ! *** Before closing this case, I have one more question. Is there an easy and quick way to remove all the doubled notes in a specific track ? Thanks again ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Great! Good to hear we got to the bottom of it. I can't think of an easy way to get rid of the doubled notes. One way that would work at least if you don't have tons of them, is to open the Piano Roll, click a note, Shift-click more notes, then press Delete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 Hum, that's what I'm doing, but I was hoping for some kind of a hidden « Remove duplicates » magic function ! Just for my better understanding, what is the impact of having all these doubled notes in all my tracks ? Does it affect the sound, the latency, or something else ? ( I know it's a trouble when it comes to manually changing the velocity, for example, because I need to erase the extra note... but besides that, is there any impact in your opinion, David ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 It affects the sound, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 Hum... I will have to investigate some more, because on some electric piano tracks it does not seem to change the sound if I delete the notes in double, so I guess it depends of what type of sounds are doubled. I will close the topic. Thanks for your precious help, David ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValliSoftware Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Great! Good to hear we got to the bottom of it. I can't think of an easy way to get rid of the doubled notes. One way that would work at least if you don't have tons of them, is to open the Piano Roll, click a note, Shift-click more notes, then press Delete. It's Option+d I know because I use it all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 YESSS ! This is great, I had the feeling this function or command should be somewhere ! Thanks so much, you took the time to check this thread even if it was closed ! This forum is so just fantastic ! Have a very good day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 It's Option+d Valli for the win! Thanks! That's great, I didn't know or forgot about that key command. I see it's simply called Delete Duplicated MIDI Events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Valli : Well, I was happy but now that I've tried it, it does not work for me. What am I doing wrong ? 1. I select the notes. As you can see, 11 notes are visible but 22 notes are selected because under every note, there is the same identical note, making it 22. 2. I delete the duplicate MIDI events. 3. I still have 22 notes left. ??? I tried it many times, with different regions and songs, it never works for me. I'm under Big Sur, with Logic Pro 10.6.2. Thanks for helping me some more ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Can we see a screenshot of the events in the Event List? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Here are screenshots of the piano roll and the event list. I just did again the delete midi events duplicates command, but they are still there. Life is a big mystery ! Duplicates have identical data in the event list, except for the last column, which seems to be « info ». What are these numbers in the last column : 91/89, 117/115, ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 The notes have different positions so they're not exact duplicates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop26 Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Hum, you've got good eyes, David. I did not notice that the last number of the position was slightly different, probably because going through the MIDI interface is slightly slower than going directly to the Mac through USB. Is there some king of a « Set duration to... » command for MIDI notes ? I can't find such a thing, it could be useful for me... Thanks David for your generosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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