constant survivor Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Hello everyone, is there a way to only record midi cc data without recording note on/off data from external midi gear? Thanks! Hannes Logic 10.6.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enossified Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Sure...assuming you have some hardware that can transmit CCs. What are you trying to accomplish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Yes, just press record and move a knob or wheel or slider on your controller that sends MIDI CC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 ah sorry my bad. I did not point out enough what's going on. I am sequencing the VST tracks (several) with a hardware sequencer. I put every VST track to its own MIDI channel and record arm each track. Auto-DeMix is activated in the project settings. Now if I hit record on a VST track, then of course the notes that are put out by the sequencer are recorded into logic. Thats what I want to avoid but still be able to record MIDI CC from other external controller gear (like Soundforce SFC 60). Know what I mean? Thanks for response! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Oh ok I see. Then you could insert a Transformer in the MIDI environment, somewhere between the physical input object and the Sequencer input (in the Click and Ports layer). Set the Transformer to filter notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 Hi David, thanks a lot. I will give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 You're welcome, let us know how that works for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 Oh ok I see. Then you could insert a Transformer in the MIDI environment, somewhere between the physical input object and the Sequencer input (in the Click and Ports layer). Set the Transformer to filter notes. [attachment=0]Filter Notes.png[/attachment] If I do so, I do not hear any sound anymore from the VST track. ??? I am able to record automation but of course that's useless without hearing the sound. What am I doing wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Oh ok then if you want to still route the notes to the instrument while bypassing the sequencer input so that the notes are not recorded, try this setup. I Option-click the output of the Transformer and in the pop-up menu chose Mixer > Software Instruments > Your-inst-track-name. Then click the 2nd output from the Transformer and cable it into the Sequencer input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 wheehaa! that did the trick! Chapeau my friend! that's the deep side of Logic I guess... Thanks a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 Back again! David please: how to proceed with further VST tracks on individual midi channels that also are triggered by the sequencer (on individual channel of course). I already set the channel of the first MIDI transformer to '1' because when it was set to 'all', then VST track 2 did not receive MIDI data from the sequencer. do I have to insert an other MIDI Transformer? I tried several things but without success... Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 wheehaa! that did the trick! Chapeau my friend! that's the deep side of Logic I guess...Thanks a lot! Great! You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution David Nahmani Posted June 18, 2021 Solution Share Posted June 18, 2021 do I have to insert an other MIDI Transformer? I tried several things but without success... Yes, you have to create one MIDI Transformer for each instrument, place them one after the other, so that the first one routes all MIDI Notes on channel 1 to Inst 1, everything else to the bottom cable that is cabled into a second transformer. That one routes all MIDI Notes on channel 2 to Inst 2, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 thanks David. unfortunately I don't really understand what's going on there but at least it works . I'll try to comprehend that later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Basically the first transformer routes the notes directly to the instrument, so that they trigger the instrument and you can hear them. However because those notes are no longer routed to the Sequencer input, they are no longer reaching the Tracks area, so they're not recorded. Everything else is still routed to the Sequencer input and therefore can be recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Instead of putting transformers on the "sum" you could connect your sequencer directly to a channel splitter object and from there to the instrument(s)... Or are you sending midi cc from the sequencer you want to record ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 Instead of putting transformers on the "sum" you could connect your sequencer directly to a channel splitter object and from there to the instrument(s)... Or are you sending midi cc from the sequencer you want to record ? Actually I want to use Logic just for recording automation on the VST tracks. The sequencer works like a hardware DAW but I would also be able to record automation on the hardware (Synthstrom Deluge) by assigning the MIDI CC of a parameter to its control knobs. In that case: yes, then I would send CC from the sequencer. But not necessarily... What kind of channel splitter do you actually mean? you mean a splitter in the MIDI environment of Logic?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 In the environment yes. Makes it easier to connect to the instruments by channel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 But you would still need a transformer to separate the CC from the notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Only if you connect the channel splitter to "Sum" ? I got the impression that the OP only record midi from other midi devices.... Not sure now though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Only if you connect the channel splitter to "Sum" ? I got the impression that the OP only record midi from other midi devices.... Not sure now though... Oh ok I see. I had missed that subtlety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 Hi Jakob and David, if I got it right, then I could use Jakobs setup if I record MIDI CC exclusively from other devices than the Deluge, right? David: Where would you put the MIDI transformer in Jakobs setup? Because actually it would be better for me to keep the option of recording MIDI CC from the Deluge as well. Very grateful for your suggestions and help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 In the environment yes. Makes it easier to connect to the instruments by channel...Channel Splitter.png how do you patch the output cables of the signal splitter? I mean technically... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Yeah, I noticed I had to option+click+hold to be able to get to the menu, couldn't just option+click... You could also open another environment mixer window and drag the cable from one window to the next. If you want to record midi cc from the Deluge you set up a transformer before the channel splitter to send notes to the instruments and midi cc goes to sequencer input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constant survivor Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 Thanks Jakob that works perfectly fine for me. I also think I now really understand what's going on in the MIDI environment. Really powerful tool! All the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Great to hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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