amusong Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 I am editing expression automation on the piano roll. Some of the data lies right at the bottom of the panel (it's when I take a breath on my breath controller during long sustained passages). See attached image. The levels of automation are generally low for the rest of the piece as well, so I am working right at the bottom of the panel quite a bit. When I try to use the mouse, or the pencil tool, down there it activates the scroll bar and it pops up right where the data is. Then I can't select the data and, if I inadvertently click on the scroll while is there instead (happens often) the project scrolls madly off into the distance! So then I have to go find out where my piano roll went and ....I still can't edit my automation data. It's not the end of the world, but I am going to have dozens of tracks like this to work with, and it's driving me nuts. Is there any way to stop the scroll bar lighting up when I move the mouse down to there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Yes indeed that's a known issue and I'm afraid there's no real solution for it. A workaround I've gotten used to is to first create the automation point I want at a moderate high value where I know it won't interfere with the scrollbar, then drag it down to the desired, lower value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amusong Posted August 8, 2021 Author Share Posted August 8, 2021 Ah well.....thanks anyway. Its a bummer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Yes it's quite frustrating especially when doing a lot of work in the automation area of the Piano Roll. You're welcome though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 One useful workaround to being moved away by such a mishap could be using markers navigation... Using key commands to create a marker at the desired spot and to return to is quick and handy. Or setting the cycle on and around the area you are working and using the Stop transport key command could do the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmitch57 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Yeah this really bugs me. But I found that avoiding the horizontal scroll operation on the mouse (I have a Magic Mouse 2) while anywhere in the pane's scroller area avoids the scroll knob appearing. In other words...when I need to edit down at the bottom of the automation lane, I'm really careful not to swipe left or right on top of the mouse. If I don't swipe, then I can get right down there on the bottom of the pane and select an automation point. Moving the mouse itself (on the table, pad, etc.) is OK, that doesn't cause the scroll knob to appear. It's just the horizontal scroll gesture that ruins everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amusong Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 Hmmmmm...I don't have a mouse dmitch57, I use the trackpad on my Macbook. So I don't have a scroll gesture unless I deliberately use two fingers. It is not a scroll gesture causing my problem, but if you can avoid the problem by not using a scroll gesture, then maybe I can too. I wonder if there could be a setting somewhere that allows you to go into the scroll bar area without activating it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonparadise Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I just read a solution to this in another forum. Use a right click instead of a normal left click when trying to move a node that's overlaid by a scrollbar. I just tested it and it seems to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amusong Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 Hmmm... it does too. Thanks for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Cox Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 This issue is spectacularly annoying. It only seems to happen when I use a magic mouse, which is an Apple product, using Apple's software. It's almost impossible (especially when working fast) to avoid triggering the horizontal scroll and obscuring the lower values of the automation. (I often just want to adjust the values, so even getting a hold of them to start at a higher value before pulling down isn't really an option). Workflow killer. Might have to abandon the mouse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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