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The best way to use slash notation in score

Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:59 am

Hi,

I'm creating a lead sheet. I want to insert some slash notation to indicate certain rhythms needed to play. I'm playing in the rhythm then change the note heads in the score editor so it looks like slash notation. But if I do that, all the note heads have the slash style, even half notes and full whole notes. Is there a setting to change the style to this slash notation for notes?

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Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:00 am

btw. How do I insert the image I attached, into the message rather?

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Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:18 am

Double click the note head (settings may vary) and change it there.
Is this what you want?
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Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:35 pm

Thanks Beer Moth. Yeah. I'd gone there. It just doesn't look that "pro". I'm using the jazz font, which makes it look a bit worse.

Also, if I have an 8th note tied to a half note, I can only have one note head, where really, the 8th note should be filled in, and the half note.

How do you insert a picture into a message?

Thanks.

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Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:15 am

To do a screenshot CmdShift 3 (whole screen) or CmdShift 4 and select a portion.
Saves automatically as a png to your desktop.
Add attatchment button and browse to file,then submit.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:53 pm

Hi,

Don't know if you found a solution ... but FWIW, the convention for indicating rhythms is using "x's" as the notehead for quarter (or dotted quarter) and smaller note values and using x's with a circle for half notes and greater values. Attached is a pic. If you need to cross the bar with a note value you have to add the value in the next bar and connect the notes with a tie.

Of course you can use whatever symbol you want. But normally slashes are used for indicating that instrument simply comps and chords are added above the staff.

Once again, you can use whatever symbols you'd like, these are just the common conventions.

Hope this helps!
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:03 pm

They might be where you come from...
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:28 pm

Let's jump all over tenorman, why don't we?

:mrgreen: Just kidding, of course.

Tenor (sax, I presume), meet Beer Moth. Fine alto player (and then some). Mothy? Tenorman. Oh, and I'm Ski, fly on the wall.

OK, now that we've all been properly introduced... Tenorman, this is the first time I'm seeing that notation too. Would you mind expounding a bit on where this kind of notation comes from?
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:00 pm

Yeah,wasn't meant to come across so abrupt!
Laziness on my part.
Sorry,and Hi Tenorman!
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:18 pm

BMoth,

To know you is to forgive you.

Wait, I'm not sure that came across in the endearing way I meant it.

Hmmm...
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:51 pm

Hi and great to meet you both! And yes, I blow a little tenor.

My apologies if I came across a bit presumptuous and assuming. Not my intention. I'm kinda' new at this sort of communicating and might not have my etiquette together. : )

A little background, as well as play saxophone I do score work both classical and jazz. I've worked with several publishing companies over the years and primarily use Finale but Logic is my goto software for digital audio and quick and down and dirty notation. (I've been working with Logic since it was Notator, 1989, on an Atari 1040 Mega ST.) And every publishing company has their own conventions or how they want things to look. Or as adamjhoward mentions below making it look more "pro". There's really no right or wrong way.

Don't want to make this too lengthy but to expound a bit, in the jazz world in particular if one wants to indicate rhythms without specific notes or chord voicings or if you want the drummer to kick a particular rhythm the "convention" or what's most common in the notation industry is to use noteheads as I've indicated. Certainly does not have to be that way! In reality, whatever expedites learning the music and disrupts the creative process the least is the best way to go.

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Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:14 pm

A man from Oshkosh! Welcome to the forum. We need more horn players here. Hopefully one day we can form a virtual big band. We got tenor and alto, a good start! :mrgreen:

Hey, thanks so much for this info. Being totally outside of the publishing world this is a new perspective for me. I've never seen those kinds of noteheads used outside of drum notation. Interesting!

Now, a little OT (off-topic) perhaps, but being that you have the kind of background you described, could you offer a recommendation for a musical notation reference book? Sometimes the finer points of how to notate things escapes my brain. For example, do you start a slur before or right on the notehead?
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:21 pm

Nice playing,man!
:D 8)

Pretty much always come across slash (with stems when nec) for chord rhythms,and the crossheads for drums and ghost notes and stuff.
Nothing's set in stone though,as you say.

Cross in circle might be used for alternate fingerings,f'r instance.
But there are other ways.

I bow to your superior qualifications,but suspect it varies from one to another quite a bit.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:08 pm

Generally you would start the slur or tie a little to the right of the center of the notehead.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:18 pm

Thanks tenorman!

That was just one of many questions I have in this regard. Is there a book you could recommend that goes into detail about these kinds of things? (Either that or I'll be forced to rain questions down upon you!)

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Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:10 pm

Nice to see another Finale user on here! Interesting to read the convention about x-heads as opposed to slash-heads though… my understanding was that notes with slash-heads were the norm for specifying a certain rhythm.

Anyway, not to "hijack" the thread, but to answer Ski's question, for all the work I've done with Finale (or manuscript, for that matter, which I do as often for fun as efficiency, depending on what I'm writing), I picked up Alfred's Essential Dictionary of Music Notation. It came in handy as a supplement to my Theory I textbook from way back when, as it keeps pretty much everything streamlined and easy to comprehend. Though I haven't even touched the Logic score editor much yet, so I don't know how that one works.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:17 pm

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Thanks, much appreciated!
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:50 pm

No problem!

I figure as many questions as I have, I should probably contribute as well to be fair… haha
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:00 pm

Everyone works a little differently. And everything is contextual. For every rule or convention there is an exception. I think the point might be to not get too bogged down with convention at the expense of the creative process and sometimes a simple explanation can remove any vagueness. Sometimes three weeks of email can be eliminated with a three minute phone conversation or a clarification at rehearsal. : )
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:04 pm

tenorman wrote:
Sometimes three weeks of email can be eliminated with a three minute phone conversation or a clarification at rehearsal. : )


So... what's your phone number? :lol:

BTW tenorman, you can probably tell that we like to have fun around here. But that said, what you said in your post is just sooooooo true.

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