rekloos Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Just noticed this scenario.....apparently if your track is playing and you arm (rec) another track for recording the audio cuts off for a sec. Same thing happens if you arm a track for recording, press play, then you press rec to start recording. This i noticed yesterday at somebody's studio while we where tracking but i went home and tested on my lappy and did the same thing. I usually do this kinda on the fly recordings in ableton without a hitch so i'm wondering why logic doesn't play nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenriYonet Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Indeed, I've not enjoyed that issue as well...try this: Have you selected 'Punch on the Fly'..? Go to Options > Audio > check Punch on the Fly also, experiment with Auto Input Monitoring (on and off) I've noticed that after a test punch or two, for some reason, the audio drop-out issue goes away...bizarre? perhaps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekloos Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Indeed, I've not enjoyed that issue as well...try this:Have you selected 'Punch on the Fly'..? Go to Options > Audio > check Punch on the Fly also, experiment with Auto Input Monitoring (on and off) I've noticed that after a test punch or two, for some reason, the audio drop-out issue goes away...bizarre? perhaps... thx Henry... My partner likes to use punch in but the problem is we get dancehall/ragga style vocalists who like to ride on top of the track and punch in is time specific and once it starts recording it doesn't seem to have an option to stop it until it reaches the end. How is punch on the fly different? I'll check the monitoring option as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenriYonet Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I can only guess that Punch on the Fly must use more buffer or hold more of the session in RAM so that you can do just what you are asking: punch in whenever a vocalist wants to do a quick fix, and avoid that audio hiccup...when you have a minute to experiment, try messing with those two settings. Believe me, I have done hundreds (thousands actually) of vocal sessions on older Studer tape machines (back in the day), and loved how easy and painless it was to monitor, get a great punch and move on...(unless I f***ed up the punch of course) - I've recorded a bunch of hip-hop and ragga...great stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekloos Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 I can only guess that Punch on the Fly must use more buffer or hold more of the session in RAM so that you can do just what you are asking: punch in whenever a vocalist wants to do a quick fix, and avoid that audio hiccup...when you have a minute to experiment, try messing with those two settings.Believe me, I have done hundreds (thousands actually) of vocal sessions on older Studer tape machines (back in the day), and loved how easy and painless it was to monitor, get a great punch and move on...(unless I f***ed up the punch of course) - I've recorded a bunch of hip-hop and ragga...great stuff! Yeah, i'll be testing things out when i'm at his studio next. Don't have to worry about this at my place cause most of on the fly i do in ableton and i have my apc next to me for easy access, everything is simple. And i do all my monitoring from my console so don't mess with logic's routing at all when i record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 If you have Punch on the fly selected, when you do punch in, press Shift-Record. That should punch without a glitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekloos Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 If you have Punch on the fly selected, when you do punch in, press Shift-Record. That should punch without a glitch. thx triplets....i'll make a note of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Just noticed this scenario.....apparently if your track is playing and you arm (rec) another track for recording the audio cuts off for a sec. That's expected: rec-arming a track is a complex process, so you get a hiccup in the monitoring. Same thing happens if you arm a track for recording, press play, then you press rec to start recording. That should not happen if punch on the fly is selected under Options > Audio >... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 If you have Punch on the fly selected, when you do punch in, press Shift-Record. That should punch without a glitch. thx triplets....i'll make a note of that. Actually it does not matter whether you use R or Shift-R to punch in. What matters is that "Punch on the Fly" be enabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekloos Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 k. this got me puzzled..... I just opened logic on my laptop, created a new file, dropped a track in. Created another track and armed it. I click on autopunch then make it as long as the track is; i right-click on rec button then select punch on the fly; input monitoring off. Press play then as soon as i click on rec there goes that gap i audio I'm just using the laptop with its own in/out, running logic 9.16 on osx 10.6.8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekloos Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 wait up.....so if i dont select autopunch but JUST select punch on the fly then click on rec it seems to be working....still messing round with it though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Does it happen when you put the project on an external FW800 drive? Could be the laptop's 5400 rpm drive that's creating the gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenriYonet Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Thanks for all the replies everyone...that helps a lot...yeah Rekloos: Punch on the Fly only...autopunch is absolutely NOT what you want [unless that's what you want )], because that is an automated, preset (and very precise) punch-in method... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekloos Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share Posted February 18, 2012 Just noticed this scenario.....apparently if your track is playing and you arm (rec) another track for recording the audio cuts off for a sec. That's expected: rec-arming a track is a complex process, so you get a hiccup in the monitoring. Is that normal for major daws? Guess I got spoiled with ableton....but live is built with the concept of doing things on the fly so it compromises elsewhere, like for example I would nt be able to get away with half as many tracks and plugs as I can in logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekloos Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share Posted February 18, 2012 Yeah, def thanks to all replies- I think it got sorted out although I still have to check with the other studio but it seems like it should be fine if not I'll be back here bitchin about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanRad Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Be sure to turn of "Punch on the fly" when you don't need it... otherwise it can cause some odd behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenriYonet Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Be sure to turn of "Punch on the fly" when you don't need it... otherwise it can cause some odd behavior. Really? I've always had it on as a default...who knows, maybe all the odd behavior will go away...? Now if only my shrink could be so efficient... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janineferguson Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Auto Input Monitoring off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Be sure to turn of "Punch on the fly" when you don't need it... otherwise it can cause some odd behavior. What kinds of odd behavior? It would be great if you could post back with specifics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musick Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Just noticed this scenario.....apparently if your track is playing and you arm (rec) another track for recording the audio cuts off for a sec. That's expected: rec-arming a track is a complex process, so you get a hiccup in the monitoring. Is that normal for major daws? Guess I got spoiled with ableton....but live is built with the concept of doing things on the fly so it compromises elsewhere, like for example I would nt be able to get away with half as many tracks and plugs as I can in logic. It's not normal for a DAW and I see it as a bug in Logic. Ableton, Cubase and Pro Tools all handle this without problems.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Is that normal for major daws? Guess I got spoiled with ableton....but live is built with the concept of doing things on the fly so it compromises elsewhere, like for example I would nt be able to get away with half as many tracks and plugs as I can in logic. It's not normal for a DAW and I see it as a bug in Logic. Ableton, Cubase and Pro Tools all handle this without problems.... You cannot arm a track in Pro Tools while it's playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekloos Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share Posted February 18, 2012 Be sure to turn of "Punch on the fly" when you don't need it... otherwise it can cause some odd behavior. What kinds of odd behavior? It would be great if you could post back with specifics. I second that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPS Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Hi, Hope I understand your issue clearly? I had a similar problem when punching in manually on a record armed "Audio track" (clicking main red record button with mouse) a beat or so before my desired punch point. Every time I punched this way, it took Logic almost a full bar to engage "record", and the material previously recorded on this record-ready Audio track was momentarily not audible. So, I ended up having to compensate for the delay by punching in much earlier than I actually wanted to and then editing the Regions together after the fact. One day I figured out that I got this erratic punch-in behaviour only when another existing MIDI TRACK (not Audio) was also set in Record Mode ( red R lit). If I disengaged the Midi track's record button prior to recording on my currently selected Audio track, the punch in delay problem was remedied - I could punch with immediate response in very tight cracks within vocal phrases and still hear preceding audio right up to punching record.. . did remind me of punching in on multitrack tape I'm not sure what's considered "normal" punch in behaviour in Logic, but this was my experience with a very problematic punch-in delay. Hope this helps? Cheers, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I have seen this hiccup on some systems. It usually turns out to be either a hard drive or a corrupted preferences issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 wait up.....so if i dont select autopunch but JUST select punch on the fly then click on rec it seems to be working....still messing round with it though.. I always use POTF and almost never autopunch. The thing to realize is that when you are using POTF, Logic is recording from the moment you put it in play. So if you use a couple of bars of pre-roll and then hit record just before the vocalist sings, the previous two bars have also been recorded. This allows for some flexibility when editing, if the talent was playing along with their old part. Another side benefit is that if the talent is just warming up and you're setting levels while the song plays, if they happen to do something brilliant, you hit record and it's all captured. This only works if you have POTF engaged. However, if you stop the transport before hitting record, the take is thrown out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I always use POTF and almost never autopunch. Same here. I've **never** had a problem punching in and out manually using the RECORD TOGGLE key command. And when I'm punching in audio, I make a point of ensuring that only the track(s) I want to record on are record-enabled. TIP: in those instances where I need to maintain the ability to play an instrument sound while also recording a vocalist (for example, to work out a part or to give them a pitch) I do a simple bit of re-cabling in the environment to ensure that my keyboard is always able to play the instrument directly and not via the normal method of record-enabling the instrument track. This bit of environment work is easily undone (and you can even create a little environment switch to go back and forth between the normal way of working and this way of working). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenriYonet Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I always use POTF and almost never autopunch. I've **never** had a problem punching in and out manually using the RECORD TOGGLE key command. Aaaaah, Ski...that's the missing key command...! I've needed this one for a while - thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekloos Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 I always use POTF and almost never autopunch. Same here. I've **never** had a problem punching in and out manually using the RECORD TOGGLE key command. And when I'm punching in audio, I make a point of ensuring that only the track(s) I want to record on are record-enabled. TIP: in those instances where I need to maintain the ability to play an instrument sound while also recording a vocalist (for example, to work out a part or to give them a pitch) I do a simple bit of re-cabling in the environment to ensure that my keyboard is always able to play the instrument directly and not via the normal method of record-enabling the instrument track. This bit of environment work is easily undone (and you can even create a little environment switch to go back and forth between the normal way of working and this way of working). hmm...I swear I did try toggle and wasn't happening for me. what settings were u using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 @ Henri, @ rekloos, here are my settings and procedure for recording audio, some of which is repeated from above: • punch on the fly is always enabled • replace recording is always on (trapezoidal icon in the transport with the circled X in the middle of it. When it's on it turns orange.) • key command set for "record toggle" (mind is shift + Z, but you can use any one you like) • I only ever use the record toggle key command for punch in & out, always manually • I never use autopunch • Something else that might be of importance... I rarely use Logic's software monitoring. Most of the time I use direct monitoring from my audio interface so I'm always hearing live input. So maybe that's why I don't hear any gap when I punch in. When I don't want to hear input I mute the input channels on my outboard mixer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenriYonet Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Fantastic! And also, the 'simple' explanation is highly appreciated...bullet points always work for the busy-brained musician... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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