Twister Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Do you own a Roland TR-909 drum machine? Would you like to do me (and a bunch of my friends) a huge favor and record a comprehensive set of snare samples with varying dynamics? The issue with existing sample libraries is that they all dismiss the most important feature of the snare drum: The dynamics. The 909 snare has a very distinct velocity curve and variation in its attack. Unfortunately in every library i've come across there simply isn't enough velocity iterations of the samples. To build an authentic 1999 trance roll i would need at least 16 samples with different velocities to avoid the machine gun -effect, preferably more. If I got to choose I'd probably record like 32 or 64 shots per snare setting with increasing velocity, and apply this to a few different snare settings. If you're not sure what I mean, perhaps listening to these songs help you to understand: https://youtu.be/1kn7yCNxeq4?t=4m17s https://youtu.be/zXsqo_pNGDg?t=3m46s As you can hear the velocity curve sounds stepped especially in the more quiet parts. Also the snare is very lively even when repeated. Achieving this is hard with only one or too few digital samples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 If I had a 909, I'd help you... but have you tried out D16's 909 emulation "Drumazon"? Maybe that could fulfill your needs. I'm no expert for 909s, but the emulation has definitely variations with each hit. Sometimes this is really annoying, but I guess it does what a real 909 does as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twister Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 If I had a 909, I'd help you... but have you tried out D16's 909 emulation "Drumazon"? Maybe that could fulfill your needs. I'm no expert for 909s, but the emulation has definitely variations with each hit. Sometimes this is really annoying, but I guess it does what a real 909 does as well. I have, but it didn't quite match the desired velocity curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Ok. But does that break the song? A song that builds on a 909 snare roll that must sound like the real 909? No offense, but I got the feeling that you probably overthink it Usually the song doesn't "fall" because of not a quite matching-to-the-real-hardware velocity curve, don't you think. The drop after it is more important. I understand that a snare roll sounding like a machine gun can be awful though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 BTW: What about the new Roland TR 909? It's much cheaper than the vintage one. Maybe that could be your thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twister Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 Ok. But does that break the song? A song that builds on a 909 snare roll that must sound like the real 909? No offense, but I got the feeling that you probably overthink it Usually the song doesn't "fall" because of not a quite matching-to-the-real-hardware velocity curve, don't you think. The drop after it is more important. I understand that a snare roll sounding like a machine gun can be awful though. I'm just paying unnecessary attention to details. Considering musical value I probably wouldn't benefit anything from this, but I can't help it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Then your passion for vintage 909 details will cost you a little fortune I think you and your friends will be in heaven if you buy one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Just remembered a new hardware emulating TR909... could be also interesting and a lot cheaper: http://www.acidlab.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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