joachim_s Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Hi! I've read this line from an interview with Robin Guthrie from Cocteau Twins on production techniques for a song they made. I can't really understand though what triggering means in this context. Would someone please help me, because I've tried understand how this works with similar software (Lexicon Native Effects) to the hardware he used (Lexicon PCM 70 and can't get heads or tales of this process: "A Kissed Out Red Floatboat [the song] 'No synths, it's all guitars and smoke and mirrors. The sort of synthy percussive sound that runs all the way through and is all on its own in the intro is a bunch of filtered delays triggered from the drums. I used a Lexicon PCM70 for this (same with the 'synth' rhythm thing on Blue Bell Knoll).'" I hope someone can understand what he's doing here. On these both songs (mentioned in the quote) you can hear the technique at work in their respective intros: Thanks! Kindly, Joachim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Hard to say, what they mean with "Trigger the delays". PCM70 doesn't have a "trigger input". I can see different ways, but none could explain directly and completely how to achieve that sound: - Triggering via MIDI specific PCM70 parameters - Triggering with the drum sounds or MIDI some gate after the PCM70 - PCM70 preset 1.6 Filtered Delays specially tweaked and the some or one of the drum sounds run through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joachim_s Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 - Triggering with the drum sounds or MIDI some gate after the PCM70 Don't really have the English or tech skills to understand what you're saying here. Could you elaborate? - PCM70 preset 1.6 Filtered Delays specially tweaked and the some or one of the drum sounds run through Really?! There's a preset called filtered delays even?! Cool. I've been sitting around with a ring modulator and FabFilter Saturn, but I can't get it to work. What do you think we're hearing? Do you know some technique that might achieve the somewhat same result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 This reminds me of this discussion... How to achieve synthy percussive sound from filtered drums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joachim_s Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 This reminds me of this discussion... How to achieve synthy percussive sound from filtered drums? Yep. You're right. It's the exact same conversation. I must've missed out that you replied, that's why I started another conversation. We can delete that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravity Jim Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 "triggering" is using an audio signal to make something else happen down the line. Perhaps the signal triggers a drum machine to play a different sound in addition to or replacing the original signal. Perhaps the audio is used to open and close a filter, or clamp down harder on a compressor, or whatever. In this context, "triggering" just means using an audio signal to control a device, either analog or digital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joachim_s Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 "triggering" is using an audio signal to make something else happen down the line. Perhaps the signal triggers a drum machine to play a different sound in addition to or replacing the original signal. Perhaps the audio is used to open and close a filter, or clamp down harder on a compressor, or whatever. In this context, "triggering" just means using an audio signal to control a device, either analog or digital. Ok! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRobinson Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 It's fair to say that "you will never be able to replicate the Original Magicks," nor that you actually have to. "That was Then (Thank God™ ...), this is Now." In the present day, you just have to "grok" what they actually did to the original stem-sound. It seems apparent to my ears that "the same sound (or phrase ...) has been variously delayed, then superimposed." Today, it should be relatively easy to achieve the same effect by duplicating tracks and ever-so-slightly shifting them in time. "Easy Peasy." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joachim_s Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 It's fair to say that "you will never be able to replicate the Original Magicks," nor that you actually have to. "That was Then (Thank God™ ...), this is Now." In the present day, you just have to "grok" what they actually did to the original stem-sound. It seems apparent to my ears that "the same sound (or phrase ...) has been variously delayed, then superimposed." Today, it should be relatively easy to achieve the same effect by duplicating tracks and ever-so-slightly shifting them in time. "Easy Peasy." Of course no one can replicate anything exactly, but that's not the point with my post, obviously. A certain technique can be known by several people. I certainly have achieved the same sound as someone else hundreds of times, so I don't really see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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