giloveve Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Hi, I've bounced down a stereo mix of my track from Logic as an interleaved wav file with no normalization or dithering. There was no peaking at any of the buses, at the final stereo output or at the master. I've then imported that bounced stereo wav into a new "master" project and used Logic's pre-set mastering settings (Final Ballad Master, etc) to give it a finished sound (just experimenting at this stage). Again, there is no peaking at the stereo output. I've then bounced that down as a stereo interleaved wav ready to send out to all the industry people who are just sitting at their laptops waiting to hear my work (note sarcasm). When I then import the final finished wav into a new Logic project (just to check it), it sounds fine but the audio file appears clipped in the Sample Editor. Am I doing something wrong here? Am I being a complete numbskull or have I missed a key element of the process? Please help, my brain hurts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickenbacker360 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Does the Logic preset compress and limit? It's possible to get clipping - even when meters indicate you're below 0dB. I had a pro do mastering and for 2444 we stayed at -1.3 dB true peak for anything intended for sites which would convert to MP3 and -0.3 dB for CD (1644), for example. This pro knows his business. Can't be sure of your situation but meters are to fast enough to register stuff that goes by at 44.1 (or 88.2, etc.) per second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giloveve Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 Hi, Thanks for replying. Yes the presets both compress and limit. I tried bringing the limiter down to +3db and that seemed to work but then my worry is it will be too quiet. I'll try what you say and stick to -1.3/-0.3 respectively. I'm hoping to license to TV/film, etc. Many thanks for the tip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickenbacker360 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 My two figures are derived for my particular style having roughly -14.6 to -15.5 LUFS. YMMV I go for dynamics over loudness and use a pro for mastering. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I just wonder, what you mean by "the audio file appears clipped in the Sample Editor"? I don't believe that the wave graphics will indicate intersample peaks, and since you added a limiter, it might automatically "look" clipped. That's kinda the idea of the brickwall limiter at the end. Except you set the threshold very low, so it rarely limits. Can you add a screenshot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giloveve Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 Hi! Thanks for your reply. I mean the sample editor in Logic. I've attached a snapshot of the track and the sample editor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 That waveform looks very normal. In fact, it's not a typical "loud sounds good" brick-walled waveform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Yup, looks normally limited. PS: Don't drive yourself crazy because of graphics. Trust your ears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 To really know wether that waveform is clipped or not, you'll have to zoom in on one or two of those locations where the waveform peaks and touches the top or bottom of the editor, and see wether or not you have multiple samples in a row at max amplitude (which would indicate clipping). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 ... and see wether or not you have multiple samples in a row at max amplitude (which would indicate clipping). But can't this also be an effect of heavy limiting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 But can't this also be an effect of heavy limiting? Indeed, heavy limiting can result in clipping. Two max-value samples in a row means inter-sample peaks above 0 dBFS = clipping on most playback devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giloveve Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 Thanks guys. Very helpful stuff as always! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 You're welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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