p3go0 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Hi, I recently watched this video: (Timestamp 16:09) Where this guy in using the Radial EXTC to reamp a mono guitar pedal to a stereo piano in Logic Pro X. I received my Radial EXTC and i've spent two days trying to figure out how he does it. I've never reamped before and the process is very confusing to me. I have a recorded a midi piano in Logic and want to reamp the "right" panned side of the stereo field and then the "left" side. But i can't figure out how to do either. Below is the signal chain I'm using (my interface is a Focusrite Scarlett 6i6, inputs 3 is out from interface into the reamper and from the reamper into input 4 on the interface. Input 1-2 is where my monitors go): I thought by creating an audio track with output 3 to output 4, and another track with input 4 to my normal output 1-2 would make me do this (see pictures below). I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here. Really appreciate any help and clarification how to do this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 If you want to affect the piano, you have to change the output on the piano track. Right now you have nothing on the Audio track, and you're feeding that into the Reamp. Nothing - Reamp - Nothing. You gotta feed actual sound to the Reamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 Okay, so now I'm sending the piano to Output 3. But I record no sound when recording on the audio tracks. Shouldn't this work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I don't see Output 3, I see Stereo Out on the piano track and you're using Bus 3, which is going to Aux 3 probably. Take a screenshot of the Mixer, that way we can see how you're routing things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 Now I made Output 3 into Mono instead I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 The only way I find to record on the piano into an audio track is to route the piano into a Bus, and then create a audio track that has the Bus as input. But I can only send that audio track to stereo outputs 1-2, 3-4, 5-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 I'm really lost here. Now the signal chain looks like this instead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Make sure you have things connected correctly: In your last screenshot, you have both inputs of the Auxes set to input 4, but then you're sending to Bus 3. Do this now: Keep sending the piano to Bus 3. Set the Input of Aux 3 to Bus 3. Set the output of Aux 3 to Output 3. Set the input of one audio track to input 3 and the output to Stereo Out. If you connected the Radial properly you should see signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Also make sure the fader for output 3 is up in the focusrite mixcontrol software... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 Like this? it doesn't record audio. Scarlett Focusrite is going from Output 3 to the input of the Radial and from the Radial in to Output 4 of the Scarlett. If I change the TRS cable that is going from the Radial in to Output 4 of the Scarlett to instead go to input 1 at the front of the Scarlett and the Output on the Logic audiotrack to Output 1, I get some signal (noise from the pedal) that I'm able to record. It's just the white noise of the pedal though (see attached picture). Thank you for your patience with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 And it's not the pedal, I just tried with another one and it doesn't work either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 Also make sure the fader for output 3 is up in the focusrite mixcontrol software... It should be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Can you enable the cycle and hit play when you take the screenshot? That way we can see where the piano sound is going. And use the routing that I suggested. Don't use Output 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 ...Scarlett Focusrite is going from Output 3 to the input of the Radial and from the Radial in to Output 4 of the Scarlett.... That can't be right ? Connect output 3 to Radial in, and Radial out to e.g. input 3 on the focusrite... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Turns out I had it connected wrong to the focusrite, sorry for being dumb guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Can you enable the cycle and hit play when you take the screenshot? That way we can see where the piano sound is going.And use the routing that I suggested. Don't use Output 4. Is the signal chain you suggested the easiest solution when it comes to reamping pedals like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Turns out I had it connected wrong to the focusrite, sorry for being dumb guys. Ahh, there you go! And for your second question, there's no simpler solution for the routing with pedals like you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 And now I should be recording like this to get stereo as he did at timestamp 16:09 in the video? He seems to be using a Logic Stock Plugin for this - "in R". Is that necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) This is a simpler routing: Set the output of your piano to output 3-4. Set the input on your audio track to input 3. Connect output 3 on your focusrite to Radial in, and Radial out to input 3 on the focusrite. Record arm the audio track and try to record ? The mixer should look like in the screenshot below. To record the other channel, ctrl-click the pan knob on the piano channel strip and select stereo pan, then option-click it to turn it orange, which means left-right is swapped, then record again. Edited May 2, 2021 by JakobP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Also make sure the fader for output 3 is up in the focusrite mixcontrol software... When I enable Analog 3 in the focusrite software I get really loud feedback and weird noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 This is a simpler routing: Set the output of your piano to output 3-4. Set the input on your audio track to input 3. Connect output 3 on your focusrite to Radial in, and Radial out to input 3 on the focusrite. Record arm the audio track and try to record ? The mixer should look like this: Mixer.png Just tried it and it works great. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 I for some reason get a weird chorus instead of the tremolo the person in the video is getting (even though pedal is 100% wet). I wonder if it has something to do with the routing in the Focusrite software or if there is something wrong with my pedal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Chorusing means you're probably hearing the signal twice, in Logic and Focusrite mixer. So definitely the routing in the software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 https://sndup.net/52bf I recorded some audio of the weird chorus effect (also very noisy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Can you hear it on the recorded file ? If you can, it's probably the pedal, if not, you're probably monitoring both from Logic and direct from the inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Hm, when i try to use software monitoring I get an extremely loud (like helicopter-y?) noise that doesn't stop until I unplug everything. Almost made me go deaf... Is this something you should never do then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Can you hear it on the recorded file ? If you can, it's probably the pedal, if not, you're probably monitoring both from Logic and direct from the inputs. I hear it on the file I recorded, but I now connected a Strymon El Capistan (delay pedal) and I get the same chorus-y effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p3go0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Enabling Analogue inputs 3 and 3-4 in Focusrite Control creates enormous, extremely loud feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I'm not familiar with the focusrite mixer, but I'm guessing you should only "enable" the outputs here, to avoid double monitoring and feedback loops... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 What happens when you mute the Playback channels in the software? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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