Logic Pro X and Logic Remote Now Available

btw, what is all the seperate content to download? OLD jam packs, old drumkits? etc...??

Looks like 10GB of legacy stuff, (jam packs etc)

and the "Drum Kit" is 15GB.

"World" and "Orchestral" are both about 2.5GB. I think they're both new things

Some first impressions:

1. Pretty "meh" upgrade. I don't hate it, but I expected a lot more given the wait since L9

2. It's DARK! Had to turn up my screen brightness. Now all my other programs are too bright!

3. It looks like the content that used to found in ~Library/Application Support/Logic has been copied over to a folder in ~Music/Audio Music Apps? Anyone else seeing that? As far as I can tell, that folder just appeared there. I guess since Apple has the user folder invisible by default, they wanted this stuff more available. Weird.

So is this it for the next 4 years?

Anyone know the safest way to completely blow away anything to do with LP9 after installing LPX?

 

You really wanna do that? I'll be running LP9 concurrently with LPX at least until LPX becomes more stable. I've observed at least three major bugs so far.

Honestly it's been months since I used Logic here (gulp, switched to Studio One for a bit), so not a major issue for me. Quick test of older projects works fine here, and I'm more concerned about disk space since I got the new MBP with an SSD.

As I'm humming along happily in Logic 9.1.8 on OS 10.6.8 I think I'm going to wait until Mavericks drops this fall to upgrade my OS and my Logic. Seeing some of the bugs that people have reported here makes me not feel the need to rush.

I had hoped for more with this update, but I am excited to explore what they have offered. In particular I hope the flex pitch is a robust and useful tool. Melodyne is awesome but also a PITA.

I had hoped for more Ableton like warping features. I'm a little bummed by the lack of serious high quality warping capability.

a lot to explore...(am reminded, be careful what you wish for!). just skimmed the new apple loops; they WANT us to make paint-by-number club/pop/hiphop! it's all there...trendy loops....which i SWEAR i will never use...

still wondering about the additional content. more drums? better guitars?

I also switched over to Studio One for a while. Any one know if they fixed the "white noise blasts" error in LX? Does the smart snap work any better? And can you use the old jam pack material in LX? Also for those who want to use Sylenth1 you might want to consider Jbridge, works fairly decent on Studio One.

http://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/

Anybody know about external video capability?

How are multi instruments handled now? (I really like the way Pro Tools and Studio One deal with it, more elegant)

And how about mixer customization?

At first glance I don't find these addressed in the manual.

Does it feel weird to anyone else that even though the main GUI is completely changed, nearly all of the plugins retain the old LP9 UI?

Not that I REALLY want them to be visually changed, it just makes it feel like an incomplete overhaul of the GUI, imo. If you are going to change some stuff, might as well change everything!

that new Surround icon in the mixer looks wicked cool, but pulling up the surround panner and seeing the old UI feels really lame

That being said...

theres a lot of new small little features that I REALLY love

individual track automation view...thank god, now I don't have to cautiously click in the arrange, hoping I don't accidentally create an automation node

Saw this on Facebook this morning and thought it was a hoax haha! Couldn’t believe it. It looked so cheap at first.

I’m not too sure what to think of the look to be honest, it looked more clear and simpler in Logic 9. Too many buttons that are too close to each other for my taste here. Don’t like the dark colour either.

Anyone know if we can still change background colours?

But of course, functions are what counts… this “stacking” function looks pretty neat. I’ve wanted something like this for quite some time now!

btw, what is all the seperate content to download? OLD jam packs, old drumkits? etc...??

 

Looks like 10GB of legacy stuff, (jam packs etc)

and the "Drum Kit" is 15GB.

"World" and "Orchestral" are both about 2.5GB. I think they're both new things

Interesting.....can you still use the old content in LX? Does LX recognise those automatically?

AFAIK, the reason for the darker theme is for eye strain and fatigue. I don't know how legit the info I got was, but I heard that the darker colors reduces eye fatigue over multiple hours of using the application, same reasoning for FCPX

I could be wrong, so maybe someone that has more info on this could share it.

One positive thing I noticed is:

Logic Pro X takes 3.4 s to launch from scratch on my MBP.

Interesting.....can you still use the old content in LX? Does LX recognise those automatically?

Yes, the old content (Jam Packs etc) is both recognised and included. The easiest way is just to select everything, and then when you click "install" you get the option to not download anything you already have installed.

As for custom loops, EXS24 instruments, etc - everything is exactly where it was in Logic 9..

Thats what I wonder as well..

as a person who create all my content "outside" of Logic i´m personally not interested in the drummer dudes etc, just interested in workflow improvements and bug fixes.

There seems to be some workflow improvements that I like though, track stacks and patches to name some.

Personally I hope that the hideous automation bugs in the automation when sample accurate automation for all parameters is on has been resolved.

I also switched over to Studio One for a while. Any one know if they fixed the "white noise blasts" error in LX?

As far as I know those were fixed a long time ago...well, basically replaced by a pop followed by silence.

Also for those who want to use Sylenth1 you might want to consider Jbridge, works fairly decent on Studio One.

 

http://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/

As far as I know jbridge is VST-only.

J.

What exactly are the 'Smart Controls?"

User assignable parameters in one window to control more parameters from different plugs on the same tracks. It is pretty nifty.

Oh like creating an controller via an IAC bus in the environment.

AFAIK, the reason for the darker theme is for eye strain and fatigue. I don't know how legit the info I got was, but I heard that the darker colors reduces eye fatigue over multiple hours of using the application, same reasoning for FCPX

 

I could be wrong, so maybe someone that has more info on this could share it.

Not so much. Most graphics applications, from the Adobe Suite (Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, Premiere etc), right through to hardcore imagining VFX software such as davinci Resolve, Nuke and so on have *all* moved to a darker interface, and while eye strain etc is a concern, the reason is more that those apps are *visual* apps - ie, you are working on your visual content, and thus don't want the application 'chrome' to get in the way. The darker interface thus is less dominant and you are free to focus on your (visual) content.

I've come to really like the FCPX interface, so the fact that Logic is using the same interface guidelines is potentially good news. Also, in FCPX the interface elements are larger which is good for usability. Logic of course is not a graphical app, but while we are working on music, the content is still displayed graphically and a darker interface should hopefully allow the interface elements to recede and be less eye dominant over your ears.

It's difficult to make judgements while it's still novel, of course. You might not like it at first, but it can grow on you and you may end up preferring it...

The problem for me is it's making Logic even more polarised between the new stuff that looks great, and all the old stuff in there that's looking increasingly dreadful. Now wonder there are lots of options to hide the "Advanced" things, like the Environment and stuff - it's there for the people that will riot if it's removed, but it's being slowly deprecated in focus over time - until the time it gets silently dropped and no-one notices...

Gotta love the new (finally...) stereo view.

I think it would be amazing if they kept bringing in new features in future Logic Pro X updates.

It just doesn't feel right that they upgrade some instruments and other are left untouched, especially the EXS24. Where's the Redmatica "influence" on this version of Logic? I don't see it anywhere!

J.

firstly, i guess i'm pretty underwhelmed by the update (...) rant over

Alas, I, too, need to upgrade from a C2D MBP and don't have the capital to do so right now. And I also feel underwhelmed by this release. But from a business perspective, I think it's only fair to assume that Apple is advertising that which it needs to advertise to get people to upgrade from GarageBand. Just as with FCP X, the prosumer offerings are there (and in this case, I do feel that "prosumer" is better defined as "person whom wants the appearance of professional work but doesn't have or want to take the time to learn all that professionals have needed to learn"), ostensibly with Apple's good intent of "breaking down barriers for the masses," or whatever.

Compared to FCP X, with Logic X, everything we're used to is ostensibly all still there, though maybe relocated or repackaged. So the question for us is whether or not LP X offers enough new features or improvements to merit the $200+$x for new system-of-choice. The new save and alternatives options Rounik mentioned are nary more than a footnote at the end of an info page, but sound like a big help to me, the guy who can never decide which direction a piece is going. So my hope is that, as more people buy LP X, we hear more from the professionals about features professionals would be looking for or would notice. Either way, since this is supposed to be my profession, I'll need the new computer, so maybe my decision will be a bit easier than yours will.

I think my attempt to help out backfired. Regardless, as is the usual suggestion, maybe we should just wait out a couple of updates and see what we learn by then?

Where's the Redmatica "influence" on this version of Logic? I don't see it anywhere!

I was thinking the same thing! Most likely whatever they have in mind for Logic's new sampler wasn't ready and at some point, they just could no longer wait to release LPX.

Where's the Redmatica "influence" on this version of Logic? I don't see it anywhere!

I was thinking the same thing! Most likely whatever they have in mind for Logic's new sampler wasn't ready and at some point, they just could no longer wait to release LPX.

Yes, that's a possibility, I think...I really hope it's like that and they update it...even if it means updating the manuals too!

J.

Where's the Redmatica "influence" on this version of Logic? I don't see it anywhere!

I was thinking the same thing! Most likely whatever they have in mind for Logic's new sampler wasn't ready and at some point, they just could no longer wait to release LPX.

Well, we don't know. Just because Redmatica focused on (effectively) utilities for the EXS24 and sampling, doesn't mean that's all Andrea can do. He's a talented and experience Mac software designer with many specialist audio software skills.

For example, at lot of technology he used for pitch detection and resampling (all of which was in Keymap Pro) could be the basis, or at least in part, of Logic's Flex Pitch implementation. For all we know, they could have been working on Flex Pitch a few years ago but couldn't get a decent enough sounding DSP foundation for it, and that could be the very reason they bought Redmatica's assetts and brain trust in the first place. Or they could have simply put him to work in other areas - or as said, what he's working on isn't ready yet...

Anyway - "Logic's new sampler"..? One for the LPX2 speculation thread, surely...

Interesting.....can you still use the old content in LX? Does LX recognise those automatically?

Yes, the old content (Jam Packs etc) is both recognised and included. The easiest way is just to select everything, and then when you click "install" you get the option to not download anything you already have installed.

 

As for custom loops, EXS24 instruments, etc - everything is exactly where it was in Logic 9..

Thanks fastfourier

The thing that pisses me off that still hasn't been addressed is the support stated for controllers like the Tascam US428.

The 428 hasn't had driver support from Tascam since the last OS that was able to boot into 32 bit mode,...yet it's right there in the controller manual,..as it was in L9.

How can they say its supported when they can't test them? Where are they getting their drivers?!

Where's the Redmatica "influence" on this version of Logic? I don't see it anywhere!

I was thinking the same thing! Most likely whatever they have in mind for Logic's new sampler wasn't ready and at some point, they just could no longer wait to release LPX.

I'm thinking the exact same thing. There's a new sampler coming out next year, perhaps in the first major update.

This really only got released today? How serendipitous that I dropped in to the forums. A few of the features sound nifty, but I don't think it's worth the money for an upgrade from LB9, certainly not in my case.

The planned obsolescence thing is also driving me away from Apple, what with OS support being so rapidly dropped.

I don't think Apple thinks too deeply about the colour of its interface - they just think "it's a new version - it is imperative that we pioneer a new shade of grey!"