spride Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Since upgrading, the day of a gig [1] to both MainStage 3.5 and Catalina, I find that when I use MS's native Record function, I now have many audio drop-outs in the recording of complex Concerts where previously I had none. Same Concerts, same computer, same lack of external CPU load. The interesting thing is that if instead of using the native Record function I use AudioHijack to grab and save the output, it has no dropouts whatsoever. To me this points the finger squarely at MainStage. If it were an I/O issue it would affect Audio Hijack too. If it were a CPU issue ditto. It seems prima facie to me that MainStage has gotten less efficient at writing to disk for no apparent reason. Is anyone else seeing this or anything similar? iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017), 48 GB RAM, i5, 1TB SSD MainStage 3.5 Max CPU 160% (100% == 1 core, and the i5 has 4) Apple and Arturia AUs. Here is a SC example: [soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/simon-pride/vem6-desktop-2020-11-20-221408/s-1RQeK1joGjm[/soundcloud] ------------- [1] I had reasons, trust me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro-ja Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I experience the same behaviour. Seems not to be related to Catalina but to be a bug in 3.5. A test with 3.4.2 and 3.4.4 under Catalina went without issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Count Dooku Posted December 1, 2020 Solution Share Posted December 1, 2020 Woah yes! I was just coming to this forum to post this exact same issue in 3.5... Small recording drop outs in the internal recording which are not present in Audio Hijack recordings. My setup is quite complex, but I run at about 40% CPU and haven't had this problem before. The gaps can been seen in the attached waveform. I submitted a bug report to Apple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Is there a place where I can download Mainstage 3.4.4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddcow Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Not unless you want to find a cracked copy. Do you have a backup of your system or versions of MainStage? In moving forward, I strongly recommend that you back up each MainStage update on an external drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Yea luckily I had a time machine backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddcow Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Yea luckily I had a time machine backup.Nice! Good to hear that things worked out for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spride Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 I considered it too but as long as I have a workaround with Audio Hijack I am not in a hurry to downgrade. Are we sure any Concerts created in 3.5 will load in 3.4.4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I believe i saved my patch that was created in 3.4 in 3.5, then was able to open it in 3.4. But not 100%. Sampler doesn’t exist in 3.4 that’s for sure. Although all my esx24 instruments that opened as Sampler instruments in 3.5 still worked back as esx24 instruments in 3.4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spride Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 Good to know. It's also good to see MainStage getting some TLC and attention from Apple after a long span of what felt like stagnation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro-ja Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I've just seen that 3.5.1 is out. Upgraded and tested again. No more glitches but now the recording is only mono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spride Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Who tests this stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spride Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 I too am on 3.5.1 and I confirm it's now mono and I am still hearing (and seeing, when viewing the waveform in Adobe Audition) dropouts. Worst of both worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Did you submit a bug report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spride Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 And it seems to be consistently about 23ms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm still getting issues recording in 3.5. Anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddcow Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I’ve seen numerous reports on Apple’s MainStage forum about these dropout and mono recording bugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spride Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 I'm still getting issues recording in 3.5. Anyone else? Oh, yes. Nothing's changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro-ja Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 This bug has been fixed in 3.5.2. Recordings are in stereo again and I've experienced no drop outs so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spride Posted June 3, 2021 Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 Yay! Thank you for letting us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Dooku Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Same. Recordings and everything else seems to be working fine in 3.5.2. But I haven't spent much time with it. Is anyone else having any problems in 3.5.2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddcow Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 There are some great improvements in 3.5.2 (including CPU cycles being released a LOT sooner when switching between patches/different plugins) BUT I had a full machine lockup caused by MainStage in my first gig using 3.5.2. I’d spent about a week testing it upon release and felt comfortable using it at a gig; in the third song, my machine completely locked up and the screen started displaying really weird artifacts and eventually went completely bright red. I had to reboot and then used 3.4.4 for the rest of the gig. I submitted a bug report and the Apple engineer replied to ask for more system diagnostic data. The lockup was apparently caused by something related to Metal but whether it was MS itself or a plugin is unknown. Regardless, I won’t be using 3.5.2 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spride Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 I have not been able to test as my studio machine has a persistent hardware issue that Apple is seemingly unable to diagnose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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