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there wil be blood

Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:21 pm

I'm a big fan of this film, and the soundtrack especially.

Anyone have some ideas on how to reproduce the wonderful (de)tuning of the orchestra. Great work by Johnny Greenwood from radiohead in this film, incase anyone didn't know.


I'm trying hard to compose modern stuff for strings in logic with Kontakt and vsl, but there's just so much that it gets overwhelming. I'm finally getting the hang of the score editor after years of avoiding it, but articulations....jesus...
Anyone ever write a "how to" setupguide for the digital orchestrater? that's what I need.

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Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:17 pm

Anyone ever write a "how to" setupguide for the digital orchestrater? that's what I need.


Maybe if we ask real nice, ( you know, please, thank you and credit card), then maybe Jay Asher will write one.
I'd buy one.

Sorry I currently don't know of one.
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Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:04 pm

Hi

You might like

The Guide To Midi Orchestration by Paul Gilreath

It's very informative. I myself need to go over it again. :D

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Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:45 pm

I saw the movie yesterday and the soundtrack is great, but I don't hear the orchestra detuned. There are what I think are some string glissandos in a couple places the swirl up. Kind of like parts in the soundtrack to 2001.
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:08 pm

I use sibelious to write all my orchestra parts and then transfer the midi file into Logic because i can't stand the score editor that logic comes with.
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Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:58 am

I would also recommend getting the The Guide To Midi Orchestration by Paul Gilreath.

I played on the sessions for "There will be Blood" and also on the BBC Radio Broadcast of Superhet Receiver, which is the work that the music is based on. It was a result of Jonny Greenwood being the composer in residence for the BBC Concert Orchestra and some workshops we did with Jonny developing some of those sounds.

I also use VSL and can tell you that you cannot reproduce the effect at the beginning of the film unless they record some very specific samples, and even then it would be difficult.

The effect is for every individual to choose a different note from some indicated note clusters and then slide in pretty much free time to the unison note with different sections going in different directions (some up and some down). Even if you had the correct glissando samples you would have to set up 34 different instances (10 1st violins, 8 2nds, 6 Violas, 6 Cellos and 4 Basses. The other interesting thing about the sound was that we all had to try and make the sound "break up" by pressing too hard on the string (can you really see VSL doing these samples!). This produced the particular sound that you hear and it took a lot of work between Jonny's idea and the players working out how to achieve it to produce what you hear in the film. Hope you find this interesting and how about using some glissando samples and having a go.

best wishes

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Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:10 am

There's lot of free orchestration help there - online PRINCIPLES OF ORCHESTRATION by Rimsky-Korsakov complete with audio examples!

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=77
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Thanks David. That's a cool website.
 
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Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:22 am

DocBop wrote:
but I don't hear the orchestra detuned.


Yeah, I know, I just meant the major gliss. It just sounds like tuning, because it's "out", then it's "in". :)


thanks basswatson, really cool to hear about it. I love the soundtrack, you guys did great. Composer and players.
 
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Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:28 am

Wow that has to be the longest delayed reply ever. :lol:

Thats awesome. :D

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Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:18 pm

David wrote:
There's lot of free orchestration help there - online PRINCIPLES OF ORCHESTRATION by Rimsky-Korsakov complete with audio examples!

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=77


Thanks David...awesome site!
Much appreciated!
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Inspiring site! Lots to dig into there. Thanks!
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Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:46 pm

Johnny Greenwood wrote the score?

I'm getting it this afternoon then! :)
 
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Re: there wil be blood

Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:37 pm

basswatson wrote:
I would also recommend getting the The Guide To Midi Orchestration by Paul Gilreath.

I played on the sessions for "There will be Blood" and also on the BBC Radio Broadcast of Superhet Receiver, which is the work that the music is based on. It was a result of Jonny Greenwood being the composer in residence for the BBC Concert Orchestra and some workshops we did with Jonny developing some of those sounds.

I also use VSL and can tell you that you cannot reproduce the effect at the beginning of the film unless they record some very specific samples, and even then it would be difficult.

The effect is for every individual to choose a different note from some indicated note clusters and then slide in pretty much free time to the unison note with different sections going in different directions (some up and some down). Even if you had the correct glissando samples you would have to set up 34 different instances (10 1st violins, 8 2nds, 6 Violas, 6 Cellos and 4 Basses. The other interesting thing about the sound was that we all had to try and make the sound "break up" by pressing too hard on the string (can you really see VSL doing these samples!). This produced the particular sound that you hear and it took a lot of work between Jonny's idea and the players working out how to achieve it to produce what you hear in the film. Hope you find this interesting and how about using some glissando samples and having a go.

best wishes

Richard

I know it's been 13 years since you wrote this comment but as a massive fan of Jonny Greenwood's creative output, I've always been interested in the writing process of his marvelous scores. I'd like to ask that does he use MIDI orchestration or any kind of notation software or is he a pencil and paper composer? If I can learn more about this, it would make my day, week, and month! Thank you so much in advance! And kudos to your great effort in this unforgettable and groundbreaking score which is my favorite film score of all-time!