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Nunstummy
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Hit Song Formula.

Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:20 pm

I argue there is a formula to composing a hit song, or at least there is a checklist of factors the song must contain to optimize the chance of a hit. Opponents tell me I’m crazy, but I have spent many years analyzing why certain songs are so successful. I’m not the only one either. Vox did some Earworm videos years ago on the clues for why certain songs are so popular. The biggest issue for song writers and producers is putting their own taste and likes ahead of the objective of “a hit”. I can compose/produce a hit song, but I probably won’t like it {lol}

So... what’s the formula for composing or producing a hit?

Is there a formula, or is it inspiration?
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Re: Hit Song Formula.

Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:20 am

If you have been researching this topic for years, as you say, you would have found it already, don't you think ? So what are your findings ?

All the marketing and distribition stuff aside, find something unique that appeals to the masses. If you can't, look at something unique that appeals to the masses, and copy it as quick and as close as you can without getting sued. If it is something you created, and it was successful, carry on iterating it.
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Re: Hit Song Formula.

Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:25 am

Fair enough.

I’ve been a performer and a composer all my life, but I also started and ran a computer consulting company for 25 years. Much of my marketing experience comes from the software world. As is the case for a lot of us, composing a hit has not been our prime objective. Instead we write and record our own material.
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Re: Hit Song Formula.

Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:31 pm

"If creativity, and market success, were deterministic," then I'd be writing this post from a very-far-away island.

And – we'd all be flat broke, because everybody would be doing it.

But:
"Surprise me." Whether it's a lyric or a harmony or a trick of a phrase or a sonata.
"Develop that surprise, with a nice mixture of repetition and new surprises.
"Tell a Story." ... Poetically! (You've got five lines to work with. Good luck ...)
"We are here now, en-ter-tain us!™"
• Fill your "catalog" to the brim and don't stop writing.
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Re: Hit Song Formula.

Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:22 pm

MikeRobinson wrote:
"If creativity, and market success, were deterministic," then I'd be writing this post from a very-far-away island.

And – we'd all be flat broke, because everybody would be doing it.

But:
"Surprise me." Whether it's a lyric or a harmony or a trick of a phrase or a sonata.
"Develop that surprise, with a nice mixture of repetition and new surprises.
"Tell a Story." ... Poetically! (You've got five lines to work with. Good luck ...)
"We are here now, en-ter-tain us!™"
• Fill your "catalog" to the brim and don't stop writing.


Mark Ronson did it with Bruno Mars on “Uptown Funk”

Success with a formula isn’t rare because “there’s no such thing” but because it’s near impossible to get creative people to commit to a formula. Let’s also bake the cake with a certain minimum level of talent and musical proficiency. Gathering the ingredients is no easy task.
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Re: Hit Song Formula.

Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:29 pm

Bruce Springsteen apparently used a formula. I worked with an engineer in New York that told me Bruce would show-up to the studio with dozens and dozens of songs, most of which were low quality. Only by recording them, analyzing them and repeatedly listening to his work, would his producers and management uncover a song worthy of being finished and released. Genius? I don’t think so. Just hours and hours of trial and error. Rare dedication to a difficult task.
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Re: Hit Song Formula.

Tue May 04, 2021 4:44 am

Lorde has written a number of songs that are brilliant, unique, and global mega-hits.

Lorde: “A lot of musicians think they can do pop, and the ones who don’t succeed are the ones who don’t have the reverence — who think it’s just a dumb version of other music. You need to be awe-struck.”
 
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Re: Hit Song Formula.

Tue May 04, 2021 2:47 pm

Moosebear wrote:
Lorde has written a number of songs that are brilliant, unique, and global mega-hits.

Lorde: “A lot of musicians think they can do pop, and the ones who don’t succeed are the ones who don’t have the reverence — who think it’s just a dumb version of other music. You need to be awe-struck.”


I confess, I never thought “the formula” would include WAP by Cardi B. I guess there are exceptions.
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Re: Hit Song Formula.

Tue May 04, 2021 5:49 pm

Nunstummy wrote:
Moosebear wrote:
Lorde has written a number of songs that are brilliant, unique, and global mega-hits.

Lorde: “A lot of musicians think they can do pop, and the ones who don’t succeed are the ones who don’t have the reverence — who think it’s just a dumb version of other music. You need to be awe-struck.”


I confess, I never thought “the formula” would include WAP by Cardi B. I guess there are exceptions.


I presume you mean that WAP is quite poor pop? I certainly think so. Most pop is pretty dumb, always has been. That's why I think Lorde suggests, you have to have reverence for great songwriting. You have to love it, be into it, groove on it. Be awestruck by the greatest examples you can find. Then create.