jimdilian Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) I have more than 2000 plugins..and Logic Pro X takes.. a life time to Open up.. been Logic Pro X the Creator of "AU" other Daws like "Reaper" or even "Ableton Live" loads in seconds... much much much Faster.. I don't know what is wrong there.. ableton and reaper I only use "AU" and it starts so Fast.. and logic.. takes so much time..it should be the opposite ... been Logic Pro X like the Father of AU. by Apple. (Update) - I just bought a WD SSD and this is the result after .. installing all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... fuzzfilth Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Well, you seem to be the hoarder of plugins, now you have to bear the consequences. Seriously, how many of those 2000 plugins do you actually use and how much ? Without knowing your projects, I bet you can whittle this down to like 15 workhorses and 20 specialist one-trick-ponies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Nogan Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 While I personally I don't have as many plugins, I can understand why one might be frustrated that the load times are very long when one does have that many plugins. Perhaps an edit to this request with my own flavor added would be an option in the preferences that would allow the user to decide whether logic scans for plugins on startup each time or not? I do not know if this would cause any large issues with the way logic currently operates on init, but if not I don't really see why the DAW user should bother having logic repeat this behavior on each startup if nothing is expected to change. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... fuzzfilth Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Assumption is the mother of all screwups. This is especially true in software. If Logic is accessing something just assuming it's there, and it isn't (and be assured, computer users are especially creative in changing little things here and there which they thought wouldn't matter) it will fall flat on its face and crash. Therefore it has to check what's there and what isn't. If this check doesn't happen on startup for convenience, it must happen before any related action like putting a compressor on a track. You would not want Logic to tediously scan all your 2000+ plugins every time you want to use a plugin,right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Well I use them all.. and I know them All. it depends on the song.. the ones that I will use.. in every project I use like 120 plugins.. so 2000 it is not that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... skijumptoes Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Is it rescanning each time then? Or does having that many plugins just delay the load time generally? If it’s rescanning then you have underlying issue that needs fixing. I sleep my Mac each night and resume the next day. As a result it’s very rare that Logic is quit and has to reload. Could you employ a similar workflow perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 no rescan at the startup.. it takes much longer than.. let say.. Studio One.. Studio One when loading projects it is very very FAST . ¡ apple Logic Pro X very .. "stantard" and slow.. as I said been the main DAW from Apple.. it should fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... skijumptoes Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I use Studio One in a local studio in my experience Logic opens quicker than Studio One, they have the Waves Mercury bundle and some other big plugins installed too so probably at the 600-700 plugin range i guess, but it certainly ain't slow to startup. Myself, I use Reaper alongside Logic at the moment, and that is lightning quick startup but projects can take a bit of time to load. Studio One also does a lot of scanning on startup, so i don't see why Logic should be any slower. How long is the startup for you - you say a life time, could you provide an appoximation in seconds/minutes? And are you sure it isn't something else which is causing this? Edit: Just thinking after i posted a reply, When you say 'startup' do you mean time taken for the application to load, or for projects to load? If project load time, then yes, projects can take a LONG time to load up in Logic. But it will be directly related to the number of plugins that exist in that project, not installed as a whole. Are you being effective in using busses etc. to reduce un-necessary plugin usage? Also, big sample library load times and differences in VST/AU plugin usage and their settings could be a cause of difference. i.e. sampler instruments can load/stream data differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Nogan Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Good point everyone is making here. Perhaps it would help us too if you gave a little more information. What are your specs? Is it the project loading time or actual program startup that is taking forever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... jimdilian Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 more Than a "PROJECT" startup.. I mean ... Logic Pro X Startup.. from the point it is close.. to the point Logic Pro X has finished loading up. not.. the Projects loading.. that works fine.. and pretty fast. it is the startup of logic that takes a lot of time. Of course that it is because my larch arsenal of plugins .. but Studio One and Reaper.. starts up much much faster.. the one that loads faster it is Reaper. so I think.. AU is for Apple only.. OSX. so why another DAWS .. like reaper .. or studio one.. using only AU's or even .. Ableton.. loads faster than Logic Pro X ? should be the other way around ?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 1 month later... JamesK Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 I find Logic the quickest DAW to open. Try Cubase...better pack a lunch while you wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 2 months later... angelonyc Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Logic has to scan AU's = how does it know something new added, or something detracted? I suppose a 'DON"T SCAN AU"S switch on Start up would do the trick.. My other music apps that use AU's scans them too, and some apps are noticeably slow than Logic. My Logic scans thru about 700 AU's very quickly (a couple of seconds) And yes, there are plenty of the AU's I could delete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Restore formatting Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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fuzzfilth Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Well, you seem to be the hoarder of plugins, now you have to bear the consequences. Seriously, how many of those 2000 plugins do you actually use and how much ? Without knowing your projects, I bet you can whittle this down to like 15 workhorses and 20 specialist one-trick-ponies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogan Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 While I personally I don't have as many plugins, I can understand why one might be frustrated that the load times are very long when one does have that many plugins. Perhaps an edit to this request with my own flavor added would be an option in the preferences that would allow the user to decide whether logic scans for plugins on startup each time or not? I do not know if this would cause any large issues with the way logic currently operates on init, but if not I don't really see why the DAW user should bother having logic repeat this behavior on each startup if nothing is expected to change. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Assumption is the mother of all screwups. This is especially true in software. If Logic is accessing something just assuming it's there, and it isn't (and be assured, computer users are especially creative in changing little things here and there which they thought wouldn't matter) it will fall flat on its face and crash. Therefore it has to check what's there and what isn't. If this check doesn't happen on startup for convenience, it must happen before any related action like putting a compressor on a track. You would not want Logic to tediously scan all your 2000+ plugins every time you want to use a plugin,right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Well I use them all.. and I know them All. it depends on the song.. the ones that I will use.. in every project I use like 120 plugins.. so 2000 it is not that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Is it rescanning each time then? Or does having that many plugins just delay the load time generally? If it’s rescanning then you have underlying issue that needs fixing. I sleep my Mac each night and resume the next day. As a result it’s very rare that Logic is quit and has to reload. Could you employ a similar workflow perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 no rescan at the startup.. it takes much longer than.. let say.. Studio One.. Studio One when loading projects it is very very FAST . ¡ apple Logic Pro X very .. "stantard" and slow.. as I said been the main DAW from Apple.. it should fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I use Studio One in a local studio in my experience Logic opens quicker than Studio One, they have the Waves Mercury bundle and some other big plugins installed too so probably at the 600-700 plugin range i guess, but it certainly ain't slow to startup. Myself, I use Reaper alongside Logic at the moment, and that is lightning quick startup but projects can take a bit of time to load. Studio One also does a lot of scanning on startup, so i don't see why Logic should be any slower. How long is the startup for you - you say a life time, could you provide an appoximation in seconds/minutes? And are you sure it isn't something else which is causing this? Edit: Just thinking after i posted a reply, When you say 'startup' do you mean time taken for the application to load, or for projects to load? If project load time, then yes, projects can take a LONG time to load up in Logic. But it will be directly related to the number of plugins that exist in that project, not installed as a whole. Are you being effective in using busses etc. to reduce un-necessary plugin usage? Also, big sample library load times and differences in VST/AU plugin usage and their settings could be a cause of difference. i.e. sampler instruments can load/stream data differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogan Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Good point everyone is making here. Perhaps it would help us too if you gave a little more information. What are your specs? Is it the project loading time or actual program startup that is taking forever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdilian Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 more Than a "PROJECT" startup.. I mean ... Logic Pro X Startup.. from the point it is close.. to the point Logic Pro X has finished loading up. not.. the Projects loading.. that works fine.. and pretty fast. it is the startup of logic that takes a lot of time. Of course that it is because my larch arsenal of plugins .. but Studio One and Reaper.. starts up much much faster.. the one that loads faster it is Reaper. so I think.. AU is for Apple only.. OSX. so why another DAWS .. like reaper .. or studio one.. using only AU's or even .. Ableton.. loads faster than Logic Pro X ? should be the other way around ?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesK Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 I find Logic the quickest DAW to open. Try Cubase...better pack a lunch while you wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelonyc Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Logic has to scan AU's = how does it know something new added, or something detracted? I suppose a 'DON"T SCAN AU"S switch on Start up would do the trick.. My other music apps that use AU's scans them too, and some apps are noticeably slow than Logic. My Logic scans thru about 700 AU's very quickly (a couple of seconds) And yes, there are plenty of the AU's I could delete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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