Rainbow Warrior Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I'm having trouble using an external controller (Oxygen 88) with smart controls. Logic appears to learn the assignment, but nothing happens when I push the fader on the Oxygen 88. However, I set up a new user account with nothing else running and it works just fine in this account, but I would really like to get it working on my regular account. So, there appears to be some kind of conflict - but how would I go about resolving it? Edit: I'm not sure what I did, but it seems to be working now - though as others have pointed out, not inside a stack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveVines Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Trying Eric's fix for this but having problems getting it to work - ive gone into the Mixer and changed the view to All but still having issue - is there something I'm missing? Thanks, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I don't think that this workaround has worked in 2 years. There has been various changes to the Controller Assignments since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveVines Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Really hope this gets fixed for next update. a no brainier right? Any workarounds in the meantime? other than using an ipad / Logic remote....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jculp3 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Smart Control external assignments in track stacks still not working in 10.4. I put in a bug report to Apple. Even if it still worked, not sure that I would use the workaround in the Controller Asssingment settings of choosing "software instrument" and it's #, instead of "selected track". I WANT to use "selected track". That's the way I have my template setup, with my 8 external control knobs mapped to 1-8 in smart controls for any and every track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavina Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 The issue persists in 10.5... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpiro Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 The issue persists in 10.5... can confirm. The more i try to get away from working in the box, the more i find i cannot for some silly reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmduffus Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Thankfully the Smart Controls in Logic Control on iPad still work on instruments inside tracks stacks. That's probably the best (and maybe only) workaround for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zestyOrange Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Yep, confirming it's still an issue 6+ years later in 10.5 - come on Apple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Caputto Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Still here! I hope they solve this for 10.5.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpiro Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Still here! I hope they solve this for 10.5.2 Yea, I’m pretty sure they’ll get around to it after more than half a decade of complaints and several updates already:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Caputto Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Yesterday I talked to apple support (logic support) and they are going to talk to their engineers again about this issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfninjajoe Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Yesterday I talked to apple support (logic support) and they are going to talk to their engineers again about this issue Hi Pablito33 Any updates from support on this issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertspectral Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 New to Logic, coming from Ableton Live. Really enjoying all the features of LPX, but this bug really had me going. Glad I found this thread, even if it is 7 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfninjajoe Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Hi all It seems that this issue doesn't effect everyone! I just saw footage of Spitfire Audios, Christian Henson adjusting the parameters of a cello in a stack, contained in a Spitfire Audio (SFA) template. It's not so clear form the video, but I have the template and the track he's automating is in a stack. Perhaps if this issue is only affecting some users, it explains why such a major issue has been ignored for so many years and updates..? I'm wondering if it might be some kind of settings issue..? Cheers Joey Dolezal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikerolls Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 (edited) Hi all It seems that this issue doesn't effect everyone! I just saw footage of Spitfire Audios, Christian Henson adjusting the parameters of a cello in a stack, contained in a Spitfire Audio (SFA) template... He's not using Smart Controls though, he's just mapped the controller directly to the parameter (CC value), which works fine. I've just found the same issue with Smart Controls and am almost resigned to the fact I can't really use folders/stacks anymore if I want to do this, surely this issue should be fixed? Thanks, Mike Edited May 25, 2021 by mikerolls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravez Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 What i don't understand is: why using smart controls at all? what is the advantage of having to map smart controls rather than controlling your vst instruments directly from you hardware controllers? Maybe i'm doing it wrong but the way i use Logic is i control any selected track's (even inside track stacks) expression, dynamics, vibrato etc of any vst instrument i want (once i set it up one time in the controller assignment expert view it's always gonna remember it). So as an example, i have my nanokontrol studio with 8 faders, the first fader controls expression, second dynamics and third vibrato. If I create a new file in logic, load a vst (like synchron strings pro or opus), load any preset, I can control the automation of expression, dynamics and vibrato right away from the nanokontrol. I also filter out midi CC in the preferences so that it doesn't write any CC on the midi regions, as i just want to use automation curves in the arrangement view, where i can overwrite with latch or touch my automation curves. What would smart controls add to my workflow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfninjajoe Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Hey ravez I suspect they won't add anything to your workflow because by the sounds of it you are manually mapping your hardware to your software. I like using smart controls because I don't have to do any mapping. They are pre assigned to my hardware. It's just a shame they stop working when in stacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 What i don't understand is:why using smart controls at all? what is the advantage of having to map smart controls rather than controlling your vst instruments directly from you hardware controllers? Maybe i'm doing it wrong but the way i use Logic is i control any selected track's (even inside track stacks) expression, dynamics, vibrato etc of any vst instrument i want (once i set it up one time in the controller assignment expert view it's always gonna remember it). What would smart controls add to my workflow? It wouldn't necessarily add anything to your workflow, but it would offer a different workflow. Once smart control knobs are assigned hardware physical knobs, those are global. On the other hand, the mapping of the Smart Control knobs to plugin/channel parameters is individual to each patch. Smart Controls offer great flexibility as to what they can control. You can map them to more than 1 parameter, and scale each parameter individually. You could for example have one Smart Control knob affect the low-cut of a filter throughout its entire range, but mapped only between 20 Hz and 135 Hz. Then only the upper 1/3 range of the knob a hi-bell kicks in around the 3.5 kHz this time increasing in gain, and a distortion plug-in is switched on when the Smart Control knob passes the '8' mark. So you have: Assignment (Global) Controller knob 1 = Smart Control 1 Controller knob 2 = Smart Control 2 . . . Controller knob 8 = Smart Control 8 Mapping (individual to each patch) Mapping (Vocal Patch) Smart Control 1 = Low-cut (full range), Hi-cut (7—10 range), Distortion on/off (8) Smart Control 2 = Compressor ratio Smart Control 3 = Compressor attack etc... Mapping (Guitar Patch) Smart Control 1 = Distortion Gain Smart Control 2 = Phaser Smart Control 3 = Flanger etc.... Mapping (Lead Synth) Smart Control 1 = Osc 1 Tuning Smart Control 2 = LFO rate Smart Control 3 = LFO to Ptich routing depth etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravez Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 oh i see, thanks for clarifying! i understand how that would be helpful in some scenarios, i hope they will fix it for stacks then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callumleegow Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 New Logic Pro user here, and I came across this issue when using Spitfire Audio's BBCSO, and their Logic Pro template which puts the orchestra sections into stacks. So surprised this is still an issue. Just commenting to keep the thread alive, and register my hope that it gets resolved soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikerolls Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Yep just run into this issue once again, thinking that just possibly it's been fixed in a recent version. Of course not. Has this really been an issue for 7 years now? Clearly they're never going to fix it. Yours, disappointed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdharmonic Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Super frustrating that this still an issue. Best workaround I have found so far (10.7.4): Select the track folder first. Cmd+click and select the track with the relevant smart folder such that both the folder track and the track with smart control are selected. Now this works as expected. Note that if you reverse this sequence, it doesn't work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlending Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 make sure the box to the right has the appropriate channel strip number. where do I find a Channel Strip Number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 On 6/11/2022 at 5:30 PM, 3rdharmonic said: Super frustrating that this still an issue. Best workaround I have found so far (10.7.4): Select the track folder first. Cmd+click and select the track with the relevant smart folder such that both the folder track and the track with smart control are selected. Now this works as expected. Note that if you reverse this sequence, it doesn't work. Thank you! This workaround works! You can even choose which specific tracks you're affecting in the stack. The drawback is you can't look at the smart control panel in real time. Hopefully Apple can just fix this soon. It seems crazy to add other features to Smart Controls before fixing this fundamental problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravez Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Looks like this is now fixed in 10.7.8 🎉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco 75 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 On 6/11/2022 at 11:30 PM, 3rdharmonic said: Super frustrating that this still an issue. Best workaround I have found so far (10.7.4): Select the track folder first. Cmd+click and select the track with the relevant smart folder such that both the folder track and the track with smart control are selected. Now this works as expected. Note that if you reverse this sequence, it doesn't work. not sure I understand the process. would you elaborate if possible please? thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Marco 75 said: not sure I understand the process. would you elaborate if possible please? thanks in advance This was fixed in 10.7.8, but this is how I recall the workaround functioning (someone correct me if I’m misremembering): Select the track stack. Cmd click the tracks in the stack you want to be affected by smart controls. Do smart control stuff while you have the stack and relevant tracks selected. This workaround is no longer needed as of 10.7.8. If you have an older version, we know the workaround works as far back as 10.7.4, but who knows if it works for versions older than that (especially lower than 10.7.0). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco 75 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 47 minutes ago, Delta said: This was fixed in 10.7.8, but this is how I recall the workaround functioning (someone correct me if I’m misremembering): Select the track stack. Cmd click the tracks in the stack you want to be affected by smart controls. Do smart control stuff while you have the stack and relevant tracks selected. This workaround is no longer needed as of 10.7.8. If you have an older version, we know the workaround works as far back as 10.7.4, but who knows if it works for versions older than that (especially lower than 10.7.0). thanks for this! doesn't seem to be working on 10.5.1. It's fine, I'll just hide the tracks without stack them .Thanks a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco 75 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Marco 75 said: thanks for this! doesn't seem to be working on 10.5.1. It's fine, I'll just hide the tracks without stack them .Thanks a lot! correction! it does work!!!! you have to have the stack highlighted on the left tough otherwise it doesn't work. Brilliant stuff! thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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