rfpm Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Video from gearspace, apparently still not fully fixed sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 this is exactly the scenario i mentioned in my previous comment: The only thing that doesn't work well is if you have a sidechain processor on bus and you add a latency-inducing plugin after. Also Bounce in place. If you don't add a latency-inducing plugin after side-chained plugin, it works fine. so it is better, but it's still not perfect. I actually got a direct response from apple after submitting feedback yesterday so i'll send them this video and I also need to enclose the project - first one for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Schmitt Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 this is exactly the scenario i mentioned in my previous comment: The only thing that doesn't work well is if you have a sidechain processor on bus and you add a latency-inducing plugin after. Also Bounce in place. If you don't add a latency-inducing plugin after side-chained plugin, it works fine. so it is better, but it's still not perfect. I actually got a direct response from apple after submitting feedback yesterday so i'll send them this video and I also need to enclose the project - first one for me. But what is the case for me when the latency intrusion plugin IS the side chain plugin (soothe 2 for example) For me it's broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 What I isolated yesterday is that when a latent plugin in an aux is used, and then that aux is fed to a bus which is used as side chain input....then the side chain input causes PDC to go out of sync. But it could certainly be possible if the latent plugin is after it might cause it too, but side chain was a key factor...but in my view...its specifically when its being used with an AUX signal chain involved with feeding the side chain. I think the feeding of the side chain causes LogicPro to ignore the latency o on that AUX chain that is feeding it. The problem with side chain does NOT occur if the feeding of the side chain comes from a latent plugin on an audio channel. I believe that is because LogicPro handles audio channel latency by feeding region data to it early in order to compensate...so the problem is fixed, in that case, before hitting the side chain. But in the case of AUX channel PDC, LogicPro adjusts things by making other channels be delayed to match the latent AUX... so in any case for whatever the reason, if you have a latent AUX...and feed it to side chain, LogicPro decides to ignore the latency on the AUX channel...and then doesn't delay the other channel that is being fed the sidechain...like it normally would for normal AUX channel PDC. The side chain itself is the trigger to the problem, but the problem is also highly related to AUX signal chains and the way PDC works with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMD Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 this is exactly the scenario i mentioned in my previous comment: The only thing that doesn't work well is if you have a sidechain processor on bus and you add a latency-inducing plugin after. Also Bounce in place. If you don't add a latency-inducing plugin after side-chained plugin, it works fine. so it is better, but it's still not perfect. I actually got a direct response from apple after submitting feedback yesterday so i'll send them this video and I also need to enclose the project - first one for me. Great! Keep us posted. Hopefully we don’t have to wait another 3 years for a fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Video from gearspace, apparently still not fully fixed sadly. We've addressed that video already in the following posts: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=157172&start=60#p824411 and viewtopic.php?f=1&t=157172&start=80#p824586 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValliSoftware Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 if someone also wants to submit a bug report to apple, here are the steps to reproduce the problem "Logic side-chain bug" create track “audio 1” create track “audio 2” route track “audio 1” over “bus 1” to “aux 1” insert latency inducing plugin “Linear Phase EQ” into “aux 1” route “aux 1” over “bus 2” to “aux 2” route track “audio 2” over “bus 3” to “aux 3” insert plugin “Compressor” to “aux 3” change side chain of the compressor to “bus 2” put a identical drum-loop on both tracks result: audio 1 <-> audio 2 are NOT in sync Make this modification to sync the audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 if someone also wants to submit a bug report to apple, here are the steps to reproduce the problem "Logic side-chain bug" create track “audio 1” create track “audio 2” route track “audio 1” over “bus 1” to “aux 1” insert latency inducing plugin “Linear Phase EQ” into “aux 1” route “aux 1” over “bus 2” to “aux 2” route track “audio 2 over “bus 3” to “aux 3” insert plugin “Compressor” to “aux 3” change side chain of the compressor to “bus 2” put a identical drum-loop on both tracks result: audio 1 <-> audio 2 are NOT in sync Make this modification to sync the audio. Personally, I think it's easier to insert one or more sample delays on aux 3 and dial in the required delay, than creating another bus, moving your EQ there and then dialling that bus in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Following my recent bug report, Apple got back to me about this today and asked for details and a project to illustrate the problem. I hope this means we're getting somewhere with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ploki Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Dewdman42 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That's another interesting datapoint! I think in that example you could have just put the send on the original audio track also...same difference, but good to know it would work from the Aux also. The good thing about this solution vs manually inserting sampleDelay is that you don't have to know how much latency and figure it out manually. You're basically just somehow causing LogicPro to do its job properly in terms of PDC. I'm more interested right now in coming up with data points that will help Apple fix the problem per say, then figuring out how to work around it. It sounds like Apple really wants to fix this right now so hopefully we will not have to worry about it again after 10.6.3 , but still if we can gain any insights that will help them understand the bug and fix it...what information can we decipher from this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That's another interesting datapoint! I think in that example you could have just put the send on the original audio track also...same difference, but good to know it would work from the Aux also. The good thing about this solution vs manually inserting sampleDelay is that you don't have to know how much latency and figure it out manually. You're basically just somehow causing LogicPro to do its job properly in terms of PDC. I'm more interested right now in coming up with data points that will help Apple fix the problem per say, then figuring out how to work around it. It sounds like Apple really wants to fix this right now so hopefully we will not have to worry about it again after 10.6.3 , but still if we can gain any insights that will help them understand the bug and fix it...what information can we decipher from this? Yes, I suppose the sample delay is ok for a simple project, but the calculations could become mind boggling for a large one. The fact that Apple has replied to two of us so far is quite promising. Let’s hope it gets sorted this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... bigramp Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... en5ca Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. I think that is the unfortunate side effect of the buffering required for PDC to be done properly in case of latency inducing plugins. It takes extra time, memory and CPU power, and usually a relatively large amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 1 month later... JOB Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... root_sashok Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Keep the 10.6.1 version and upgrade. Use 10.6.1 for old projects sidechained with 10.6.1. Use 10.6.2 for new projects. There's a difference in latency fixing algorithm for 10.6.1 vs 10.6.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... saafmusic Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... en5ca Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not It seems the base case of two tracks side-chained to each other has been solved when no bussing is involved, but problems persists with busses and there might even be some new bus related problems too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 4 weeks later... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Following my recent bug report, Apple got back to me about this today and asked for details and a project to illustrate the problem. I hope this means we're getting somewhere with it. Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 It actually got worse for me on 10.6.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Yes, same problem here on 10.6.2 Removing the compressor removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ploki Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Anything new? No I never heard anything back from them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it This is so cool. At last I can use busses again … so happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 7 of 12 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 if someone also wants to submit a bug report to apple, here are the steps to reproduce the problem "Logic side-chain bug" create track “audio 1” create track “audio 2” route track “audio 1” over “bus 1” to “aux 1” insert latency inducing plugin “Linear Phase EQ” into “aux 1” route “aux 1” over “bus 2” to “aux 2” route track “audio 2 over “bus 3” to “aux 3” insert plugin “Compressor” to “aux 3” change side chain of the compressor to “bus 2” put a identical drum-loop on both tracks result: audio 1 <-> audio 2 are NOT in sync Make this modification to sync the audio. Personally, I think it's easier to insert one or more sample delays on aux 3 and dial in the required delay, than creating another bus, moving your EQ there and then dialling that bus in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Following my recent bug report, Apple got back to me about this today and asked for details and a project to illustrate the problem. I hope this means we're getting somewhere with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ploki Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Dewdman42 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That's another interesting datapoint! I think in that example you could have just put the send on the original audio track also...same difference, but good to know it would work from the Aux also. The good thing about this solution vs manually inserting sampleDelay is that you don't have to know how much latency and figure it out manually. You're basically just somehow causing LogicPro to do its job properly in terms of PDC. I'm more interested right now in coming up with data points that will help Apple fix the problem per say, then figuring out how to work around it. It sounds like Apple really wants to fix this right now so hopefully we will not have to worry about it again after 10.6.3 , but still if we can gain any insights that will help them understand the bug and fix it...what information can we decipher from this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That's another interesting datapoint! I think in that example you could have just put the send on the original audio track also...same difference, but good to know it would work from the Aux also. The good thing about this solution vs manually inserting sampleDelay is that you don't have to know how much latency and figure it out manually. You're basically just somehow causing LogicPro to do its job properly in terms of PDC. I'm more interested right now in coming up with data points that will help Apple fix the problem per say, then figuring out how to work around it. It sounds like Apple really wants to fix this right now so hopefully we will not have to worry about it again after 10.6.3 , but still if we can gain any insights that will help them understand the bug and fix it...what information can we decipher from this? Yes, I suppose the sample delay is ok for a simple project, but the calculations could become mind boggling for a large one. The fact that Apple has replied to two of us so far is quite promising. Let’s hope it gets sorted this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... bigramp Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... en5ca Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. I think that is the unfortunate side effect of the buffering required for PDC to be done properly in case of latency inducing plugins. It takes extra time, memory and CPU power, and usually a relatively large amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 1 month later... JOB Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... root_sashok Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Keep the 10.6.1 version and upgrade. Use 10.6.1 for old projects sidechained with 10.6.1. Use 10.6.2 for new projects. There's a difference in latency fixing algorithm for 10.6.1 vs 10.6.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... saafmusic Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... en5ca Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not It seems the base case of two tracks side-chained to each other has been solved when no bussing is involved, but problems persists with busses and there might even be some new bus related problems too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 4 weeks later... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Following my recent bug report, Apple got back to me about this today and asked for details and a project to illustrate the problem. I hope this means we're getting somewhere with it. Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 It actually got worse for me on 10.6.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Yes, same problem here on 10.6.2 Removing the compressor removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ploki Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Anything new? No I never heard anything back from them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it This is so cool. At last I can use busses again … so happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 7 of 12 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Restore formatting Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply Share More sharing options... Followers 14 Go to topic listing Related Topics Quick Help - Inspector Pane View - and Plugin Latency Values By tmuzik, August 16, 2020 latency 4 replies 827 views exmachina April 4 Latency delay on armed track Mact Studio M2 Ultra/ UAD Apollo X4 By blvckneon, March 28 uad apollo mac studio (and 2 more) Tagged with: uad apollo mac studio m2 latency 3 replies 132 views JakobP March 29 Heavy Latency on Drummer Track in a session from last year! Help pls. By melodea, March 4 latency 12 replies 211 views Jordi Torres March 5 Latency on OH in Logic Drummer By Kanten, February 6 latency drummer 5 replies 265 views Atlas007 February 8 Sidechain Latency on a Bus Latency Problem still in 2022? By testdriver85, May 30, 2022 sidechain latency 13 replies 3,837 views musikmike January 24 All Activity Home Forums Music Software Bugs & Workarounds Plug-in Delay Compensation broken with external side-chain
AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Following my recent bug report, Apple got back to me about this today and asked for details and a project to illustrate the problem. I hope this means we're getting somewhere with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That's another interesting datapoint! I think in that example you could have just put the send on the original audio track also...same difference, but good to know it would work from the Aux also. The good thing about this solution vs manually inserting sampleDelay is that you don't have to know how much latency and figure it out manually. You're basically just somehow causing LogicPro to do its job properly in terms of PDC. I'm more interested right now in coming up with data points that will help Apple fix the problem per say, then figuring out how to work around it. It sounds like Apple really wants to fix this right now so hopefully we will not have to worry about it again after 10.6.3 , but still if we can gain any insights that will help them understand the bug and fix it...what information can we decipher from this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That's another interesting datapoint! I think in that example you could have just put the send on the original audio track also...same difference, but good to know it would work from the Aux also. The good thing about this solution vs manually inserting sampleDelay is that you don't have to know how much latency and figure it out manually. You're basically just somehow causing LogicPro to do its job properly in terms of PDC. I'm more interested right now in coming up with data points that will help Apple fix the problem per say, then figuring out how to work around it. It sounds like Apple really wants to fix this right now so hopefully we will not have to worry about it again after 10.6.3 , but still if we can gain any insights that will help them understand the bug and fix it...what information can we decipher from this? Yes, I suppose the sample delay is ok for a simple project, but the calculations could become mind boggling for a large one. The fact that Apple has replied to two of us so far is quite promising. Let’s hope it gets sorted this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... bigramp Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... en5ca Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. I think that is the unfortunate side effect of the buffering required for PDC to be done properly in case of latency inducing plugins. It takes extra time, memory and CPU power, and usually a relatively large amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 1 month later... JOB Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... root_sashok Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Keep the 10.6.1 version and upgrade. Use 10.6.1 for old projects sidechained with 10.6.1. Use 10.6.2 for new projects. There's a difference in latency fixing algorithm for 10.6.1 vs 10.6.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... saafmusic Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... en5ca Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not It seems the base case of two tracks side-chained to each other has been solved when no bussing is involved, but problems persists with busses and there might even be some new bus related problems too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 4 weeks later... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Following my recent bug report, Apple got back to me about this today and asked for details and a project to illustrate the problem. I hope this means we're getting somewhere with it. Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 It actually got worse for me on 10.6.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Yes, same problem here on 10.6.2 Removing the compressor removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ploki Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Anything new? No I never heard anything back from them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it This is so cool. At last I can use busses again … so happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 7 of 12 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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AMD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That's another interesting datapoint! I think in that example you could have just put the send on the original audio track also...same difference, but good to know it would work from the Aux also. The good thing about this solution vs manually inserting sampleDelay is that you don't have to know how much latency and figure it out manually. You're basically just somehow causing LogicPro to do its job properly in terms of PDC. I'm more interested right now in coming up with data points that will help Apple fix the problem per say, then figuring out how to work around it. It sounds like Apple really wants to fix this right now so hopefully we will not have to worry about it again after 10.6.3 , but still if we can gain any insights that will help them understand the bug and fix it...what information can we decipher from this? Yes, I suppose the sample delay is ok for a simple project, but the calculations could become mind boggling for a large one. The fact that Apple has replied to two of us so far is quite promising. Let’s hope it gets sorted this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... bigramp Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... en5ca Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. I think that is the unfortunate side effect of the buffering required for PDC to be done properly in case of latency inducing plugins. It takes extra time, memory and CPU power, and usually a relatively large amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 1 month later... JOB Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... root_sashok Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Keep the 10.6.1 version and upgrade. Use 10.6.1 for old projects sidechained with 10.6.1. Use 10.6.2 for new projects. There's a difference in latency fixing algorithm for 10.6.1 vs 10.6.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... saafmusic Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... en5ca Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not It seems the base case of two tracks side-chained to each other has been solved when no bussing is involved, but problems persists with busses and there might even be some new bus related problems too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 4 weeks later... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Following my recent bug report, Apple got back to me about this today and asked for details and a project to illustrate the problem. I hope this means we're getting somewhere with it. Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 It actually got worse for me on 10.6.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Yes, same problem here on 10.6.2 Removing the compressor removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ploki Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Anything new? No I never heard anything back from them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it This is so cool. At last I can use busses again … so happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 7 of 12 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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bigramp Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
en5ca Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hope the fix works, i'm using Ableton Live right now and while PDC is top notch, the one second delay (even at buffer 128) everytime i press PLAY is really killing the vibe. I think that is the unfortunate side effect of the buffering required for PDC to be done properly in case of latency inducing plugins. It takes extra time, memory and CPU power, and usually a relatively large amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOB Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root_sashok Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Can anyone confirm the fix does or does not completely work? I'm still on Catalina and am generally hesitant to update, but I'll be hitting a point next week where everything I'm working on is wrapped up, so if this fix works its a good time to upgrade. With the current set of projects I've done all the sidechaning on individual tracks like I used to, which is a bit more hassle and not quite as congruent sounding, but not as much hassle as it breaking on a bus 3/4ths through a project. Keep the 10.6.1 version and upgrade. Use 10.6.1 for old projects sidechained with 10.6.1. Use 10.6.2 for new projects. There's a difference in latency fixing algorithm for 10.6.1 vs 10.6.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saafmusic Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
en5ca Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 dear I am having this problem even today with logic 10.6.2, while sidechaining vocal on the synths bus with track spacer 2.5 can someone advise and I wish to know whether it has been resolved or not It seems the base case of two tracks side-chained to each other has been solved when no bussing is involved, but problems persists with busses and there might even be some new bus related problems too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Following my recent bug report, Apple got back to me about this today and asked for details and a project to illustrate the problem. I hope this means we're getting somewhere with it. Anything new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 It actually got worse for me on 10.6.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlingen Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Here's a small demo-project if anyone's interested in checking if they have the same problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtdaykhrdf0ha0o/Latency%20bug%20demonstration.logicx.zip?dl=0 Notice how removing the compressor from the drum bus removes the latency. Yes, same problem here on 10.6.2 Removing the compressor removes the latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I replied to them today, looks like they really want to pin this down. That's more response than i ever recall getting about anything regarding logic pro Anything new? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Anything new? No I never heard anything back from them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlingen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10.6.3 is released and it is supposed to fix this issue!! +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Schmitt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 +did you check the fix?+ I did! It's fixed!! Extremely happy that they fixed it This is so cool. At last I can use busses again … so happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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