Mechanica Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 More food for thought. Thanks for making that vid. The reason that's happening is because any track with a plugin sidechained to an AUX with latency inducing plugins on it will be pushed out of time. So by copying the gate, you're just adding the same messed up timing to the phase-swapped bass track, so now they're both messed up. But cancelling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 By the way there's an existing topic related to this issue in the Bug forum : viewtopic.php?f=42&t=135038 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 great thread. Seems like the work around for now would be to bounce the instrument-AUX channel to a track, then change that track to audio channel, then use it to feed side chain as a non-live-bounced instrument. A bit of a headache, but at least the production can move on until Apple fixes this horrendous bug that has apparently been plaguing us for at least 2-3 years... The automation PDC problem I am not familiar with the exact problem or if there is a work around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfpm Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 10.5.1 just released, haven't had a chance to see if this is fixed yet. Anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedannemann Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 Still no fix for the completely messed up Plug-in delay compensation in Logic Pro X. I'm not getting tired to ask all Logic Pro X 10.5 users to really report this long time issue of Logic Pro: Just take 2 minutes and send a bug report to Apple about the missing plug-in delay compensation for automation, side chain signals and beat synced plug-ins. Thank you for your help! https://www.apple.com/feedback/logic-pro.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auralux Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Is this PDC thing still going on in 10.6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfpm Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 According to the other thread it still hasn't been fixed. Renders so many plugins useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auralux Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 According to the other thread it still hasn't been fixed. Renders so many plugins useless. I wonder why the Logic team can't get a handle on this? Is this an issue in Cubase and other DAW's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root_sashok Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Petition is here: http://chng.it/bfczxYTh9g We need to post it in any ADC / PDC-related thread at any Logic forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfpm Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Saw you post on Reddit too, this is what we need! These bugs are well overdue for fixing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfpm Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Getting close to 100 signatures. I tried sharing to people to get more signatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root_sashok Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Thank you! Don't forget to send a bug report with a petition link! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Petition is here: http://chng.it/bfczxYTh9gWe need to post it in any ADC / PDC-related thread at any Logic forum. Great, thank you for doing that. I have added the link to the petition to the first post of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOB Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Why are we having to petition Apple for basic Logic functionality? You pay a premium to buy into their ecosystem, then the basics don't work, and there's a freaking change.org petition being passed around? This is humiliating for Apple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfpm Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Yeah it's embarrassing for them to be honest, I wish it became more visible. Multiple large Logic YouTube channels or producers to make the issue more obvious to a lot of people. 10.6.1 released 2 days ago, haven't been able to get on the studio computer but I'm assuming the issue is still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musuba Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Has this been looked at and/or resolved at all yet? It's so annoying! I moved from Ableton LIVE because they ironically don't allow great latency compensation that should aid LIVE PERFORMACE. Logics Low Latency Mode is phenomenal BUT when you start routing auxes into stacks, etc, it's essentially a waste of time because it disregards your chains on the parent busses/stacks and messes with the volume levels you track an instrument into the mix. And of course not to mention each bus ends up having it's own latency delays which throws the whole project out of sync, especially once you have a few Soothes here and there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfpm Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I haven't used Logic in a year now so I can't say, anyone else confirm it's still an issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Yes it is still an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnycreations Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Has this been looked at and/or resolved at all yet? It's so annoying! I moved from Ableton LIVE because they ironically don't allow great latency compensation that should aid LIVE PERFORMACE. Logics Low Latency Mode is phenomenal BUT when you start routing auxes into stacks, etc, it's essentially a waste of time because it disregards your chains on the parent busses/stacks and messes with the volume levels you track an instrument into the mix. And of course not to mention each bus ends up having it's own latency delays which throws the whole project out of sync, especially once you have a few Soothes here and there!! Is there a way to calculate the cumulative latency effect per bus? I know you can find a plugin's latency by hovering over it, but I'm not sure it's as simple as adding all of those up—especially when automation is involved. My issue stems from having multiple individual vocal tracks with Soothe and Waves Vocal Rider written onto the tracks as automation going to a lead vocal Aux channel and that going to an All Vox Aux channel. I'm getting some delay. I'm currently offsetting it with Logic's stock Sample Delay plugin and using my ear to guess if it's in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfpm Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Can't believe they still haven't addressed it, maybe by 2030. Look at @jonnycreations response, the DAW isn't usable for serious production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnestic Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Hi all, super helpful to find this thread. I just wanted to clarify something for myself and thought I'd ask here... In all my time using Logic in the past year, I haven't had any issues with automation, but just now I had a situation where I put in some automation to control the level of a bus send. Something was super off in the timing, and when I looked at the automation occurring, I saw that it was automating almost a bar before the automation. So, it's not necessarily "delayed" -- it's more "pre-delayed." Is this also what others have been dealing with when they've mentioned automation delay? So far, I've only seen examples of proper delay happening after the automation. I'm also perplexed as to why I haven't seen this behaviour before until now... weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 the issue is that on your bus you have some plugins causing latency on the bus...and LogicPro deals with AUX latency by delaying all the other tracks to line up with it....except...LogicPro isn't properly delaying automation along with it...so... its early compared to the delayed AUX channel and all the other channels too. LogicPro automation is fundamentally broken for many complex mixer situations, it works fine in simple situation in my opinion but when you start getting into AUX's with latency, side chaining, etc..it falls apart..there are many threads about this and Apple has ignored the problem for years unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnestic Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Ah, okay, that makes sense now. So bizarre that I haven't come across this before... And I've worked on some heavy projects in the past with loads of plugins, automation, etc. I can see how this can completely ruin projects and workflow if it's occurring all the time. Disappointing that Apple has done nothing. I saw the petition and signed it, but also surprised to see so little signatures after 4 months! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansolas Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Just checked my feedback hup: It says similar Reports : none Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, ansolas said: Just checked my feedback hup: It says similar Reports : none Could it be because of the keywords you used in your title? "Apple", "Logic" and "broken" are too common, and "PDC" is a user created acronym for what Apple calls "plug-in latency compensation". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansolas Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, David Nahmani said: Could it be because of the keywords you used in your title? "Apple", "Logic" and "broken" are too common, and "PDC" is a user created acronym for what Apple calls "plug-in latency compensation". sorry i reported you post by accident I wanted to "Reply" pff i need sleep. Yeh maybe what does you report status say ? Edited September 15, 2022 by ansolas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Just now, ansolas said: Yeh maybe what does you report status say ? I don't have one actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbrother Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 How are you all seeing these reports that you've sent in? I've sent in multiple reports about it using their feedback form that was linked on this forum and I never received any confirmation or reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, sunbrother said: How are you all seeing these reports that you've sent in? I've sent in multiple reports about it using their feedback form that was linked on this forum and I never received any confirmation or reply. There are no confirmations or replies. But I know they do get every single form you're submitting through that page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansolas Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) In thee Feedback Assistant app you can see all submitted issues. I alo had once a reply where tehy asked for more infos. Edited October 29, 2022 by ansolas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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