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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:48 pm

my template is using the multi out version of the AU3 plugin...that might be why it doesn't work for you if you haven't bumped up your VEP preferences to 50 audio outs. I would think it would have opened up anyway and just display the orange ! plugin button, but anyway, please let us know if that fixes it.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:49 pm

or actually another thing that occurred to me, if you're using LPX 10.4.4, then it will have problems looking for 25 out version of the plugin. So the template I made assumes you have LPX 10.4.5 and also have VEP configured with 50 audio outs.

Later on I will make a variation of the template with only stereo version of AU3 plugin, then you can change the plugin as you wish for multi outs and maybe that will open in LPX 10.4.4
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:00 pm

2deepadivot wrote:
I have downloaded your 762 tracks AU3 template but when loaded " Loading plug-ins" stays on my screen so I cannot continue, any thoughts?.


I have changed the link above to a new template with 1270 tracks and stereo version of the plugin so it will open in older versions of LPX.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:33 am

Yes, I've been keeping up with the comments, thanks for your help. I have the VSL template up and running.
 
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:02 am

The stereo one? Are you on 10.4.5? Just need to know what worked or didn’t work Soni can update my template instructions
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:05 am

So I've come across one issue while using the new AU3 template: even though VEP recognizes tempo info from LPX, my Kontakt instances do not. This is a big problem for libraries like Signal, Rise & Hit etc. Yes, "Ext" is selected in Kontakt's master pane. I haven't tested other tempo sync'd VSTs yet but I'd love for someone to see if they can replicate my issue.

The issue is not present when I connect to my VEP server with the regular stereo VEP plugin, so maybe it has something to do with MIDI clock only being sent over certain ports. At this point I'm in over my head. :)
 
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:46 am

It’s not midi clock, but "host transport sync"; but report this to vsl support it sounds like a bug either in vep AU3 plugin or lpx. I can confirm its not working for me too.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:09 pm

Also, you can still use the template, but whenever you need a track with clock sync, then you'll have to use a separate instance and the old VEP AU2 plugin.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:54 am

I replaced the AU3 templates. Some stuff changed in LPX 10.4.5 related to the way instrument channels are handled, and though these kind of worked, they were created in 10.4.4 and the project files were not in my view completely compatible with logic 10.4.5+. It mainly effected the click channel.

Anyway, see post above for a better way to create AU3 templates ad-hoc as you go, and a new starting 1270 track starter template. VSL's AU3 templates are also negatively effected.

Instructions: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=143416
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Re: VEP Multiport Template

Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:00 pm

Dewdman42 wrote:
works fine here. Something about how you're using Logic. Please provide more details about the exact steps you're taking.


Hey Dewdman, thanks for all the heavy lifting you are doing on this and my apologies that I am dealing with other things and not giving feedback.

In your opinion, if one s building articulation sets in Logic Pro for VE Pro with 16 articulations and is perfectly content with that, is there any advantage to using AU3 over AU2 or even VST in VE Pro 7?
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:09 pm

I just updated the post again with a 1270 track AU3 template that I recommend everyone start out with. Read new thread as of 1 minute ago to understand the issues.

New thread here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=143416

To your question....

If you are content to never use more than midi port 1, then I see no reason AU2 wouldn't be fine. AU2 also supports the undocumented aux track trick, which AU3 does not in Logic Pro as of this writing.

With AU2, as you know, you can have up to 16 channels per VEP instance, so that could be 16 instruments or one instrument with up to 16 articulations, which is probably how you tend to use it in your one-track-per-vep-instance mode of operation.

On the other hand, aside from the missing aux track trick, I have had no problems with the AU3 plugin and it does support up to 127 midi channels per VEP instance through 8 ports, so that gives you options for more articulations, or more instruments, etc.. It is for now slightly laborious to setup compared to 16 part multi-timbral, until Apple will hopefully figure out they need to give us the option to create up to 127 multi-timbral parts from the new tracks wizard. But that should not effect you at all if you are constrained to 16 parts anyway.

I do think AU3 will be the future for VEP and I see no problem in using that version as long as you don't need the aux track trick.

VST is not applicable to LPX. In Cubase S1 and other hosts, you can use VST3 to get 768 midi channels per VEP instance.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:13 pm

Also, the AU3 VEP plugin supports up to 25 stereo aux returns, I'm not sure what the old AU2 can do, it might be limited to 16 stereo returns.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:55 am

OK, presently for me then no real advantage.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:56 am

I agree.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:00 am

well also, to be complete on the answer, we are unaware about internals of either AU2 or AU3 plugin to know if one is somehow more efficient or reliable then another, etc.. VSL is still calling the AU3 plugin "beta" FWIW. I haven't had any problems with it though and like I said, you can still use the AU3 in exactly the same manner as you've been using the AU2 one... no change in workflow. Might be worth trying it out for a while, even in your preferred workflow... I do think it will only be a matter of time, and not too much, before the AU2 version of the plugin will be deprecated.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:31 am

Dewdman42 wrote:
well also, to be complete on the answer, we are unaware about internals of either AU2 or AU3 plugin to know if one is somehow more efficient or reliable then another, etc.. VSL is still calling the AU3 plugin "beta" FWIW. I haven't had any problems with it though and like I said, you can still use the AU3 in exactly the same manner as you've been using the AU2 one... no change in workflow. Might be worth trying it out for a while, even in your preferred workflow... I do think it will only be a matter of time, and not too much, before the AU2 version of the plugin will be deprecated.


True, but since they are different plug-ins, I would have to rebuild the VE Pro templates and re-save the patches in the Logic Pro library. That's a lot of work unless there is a clear advantage.
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Re: VEP Multiport/SinglePort Templates

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:57 pm

No doubt
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