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Logic 8 vs. Logics Express 8 feature comparison

Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:44 pm

I know this is mostly a Pro user's forum, but I've been unable to locate on Apples's site a feature comparison between Pro 8 and Express 8 - has anyone run across run? Thanks in advance.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:55 pm

As far as I know, here are the only features that Logic Express does NOT have

- Reduced size library (no Jam Packs with Express)
- Surround support
- Hardware and System protocols NOT supported:
• TDM support
• Distributed Audio Processing
• Support for high-end professional control surfaces (Euphonix and SmartAV consoles)
- Instrument Plug-Ins:
• Sculpture
• Vintage Series: EVP88, EVB3, EVD6
- Effect Plug-Ins:
• Space Designer
• Delay Designer
• Mastering Series: Linear Phase EQ, Match EQ, Multipressor, AdLimiter, Multimeter
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Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:05 pm

That was quick, thanks David.
 
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Does Express include Ultrabeat & the JamPacks?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:51 pm

...or would that be too good to be true?
 
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Re: Does Express include Ultrabeat & the JamPacks?

Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:59 pm

bjs wrote:
...or would that be too good to be true?

Ultrabeat, YES! Jam Packs, I don't think so... that's what I meant by a reduced Library.
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Track count

Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:29 pm

Does anybody know if LE 8 is going to have the 12 track limit as before or did they change that?
Thanks
 
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Re: Track count

Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:02 am

liquidlogic wrote:
Does anybody know if LE 8 is going to have the 12 track limit as before or did they change that?
Thanks


Sorry not tracks but the amount of inputs that can be recorded at one time.
 
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Re: Track count

Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:41 am

liquidlogic wrote:
Does anybody know if LE 8 is going to have the 12 track limit as before or did they change that?
Thanks

I don't think it has any limits of that kind, but I'm really not sure.
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Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:09 pm

Rob Schoeben, Apple’s vice president of Applications Product Marketing says:
... there are only four features that separate Logic Pro from Logic Express. They are: surround sound, distributed audio, high-end control surface support and TDM support ... Despite the naming convention, this is Logic Pro, minus those four features ... the instruments in Logic Express are exactly the same as those found in Logic Pro — if you can do it with a Logic Pro instrument, you can do it with a Logic Express instrument.

source: http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/09/12/logic/index.php?lsrc=mwtoprss
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:41 am

Interesting... I remember the LP7 vs. LE7 comparison chart, and nowhere did it mention the myriad little shortcuts and workflow elements that were stripped out, like capturing last take as recording, create new track with next/same object, double-click in the background of the matrix to show all region data, low cut filters in the channel EQ, and a hundred other little things. Working with LE7 was incredibly frustrating.

Obviously, if one starts with LE7, they won't know what they're missing.

Wonder if anyone here can vouch for the difference in number of key commands in LE8 vs. LP8? If they're close, looks like we have a winner.
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:50 am

Fred B wrote:
Rob Schoeben, Apple’s vice president of Applications Product Marketing says:
... there are only four features that separate Logic Pro from Logic Express. They are: surround sound, distributed audio, high-end control surface support and TDM support ... Despite the naming convention, this is Logic Pro, minus those four features ... the instruments in Logic Express are exactly the same as those found in Logic Pro — if you can do it with a Logic Pro instrument, you can do it with a Logic Express instrument.

source: http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/09/12/logic/index.php?lsrc=mwtoprss


Rob should probably look at the Apple website before making such statements!!

http://www.apple.com/logicexpress/specs/
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:49 am

David wrote:
Rob should probably look at the Apple website before making such statements!!

Yes, his statement about instruments is obviously not quite true, regarding sculpture and the vintage series. But I've noticed that already in version 7 some basic sounds/presets of EVP88 and EVB3 are available in Express (and Garageband).

The question remains if the overall functionality of Express 8 is restricted in any way as it was in version 7. I tend to believe that it's not the case which would be great of course.
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Fred B wrote:
David wrote:
Rob should probably look at the Apple website before making such statements!!

Yes, his statement about instruments is obviously not quite true, regarding sculpture and the vintage series. But I've noticed that already in version 7 some basic sounds/presets of EVP88 and EVB3 are available in Express (and Garageband).

The question remains if the overall functionality of Express 8 is restricted in any way as it was in version 7. I tend to believe that it's not the case which would be great of course.


David nailed it perfectly. I spoke to a friend of mine who worked on development and he confirmed the list David posted. The sound library is smaller primarily due to the fact that the Jam Packs are not included and there is no surorund content, content for Space Designer, Soundtrack Pro content, etc.

Oh yeah, of course, Logic Express does not include MainStage, Soundtrack Pro 2, Impulse Response Utility or WaveBurner.

The application itself is almost identical to Logic Pro 8.
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:32 am

B_Stone wrote:
The application itself is almost identical to Logic Pro 8.

Thanks for confirming that.
Just to clarify the last bit, it would be nice to know what "almost" means here.
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:59 am

me too..
one of the small diferences between logic express 7 and pro 7 is that i cant mute a single midi note in the matrix editor in Logic express.

seems like a minor detail, but a big deal to me. hope Express8 wont have those small restrictions.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:24 am

Hi,

David already posted a list showing the differences between Logic Express 8 and Logic Pro 8.

Everything else is definitely identical in both versions. A full blown Apogee Symphony system will show all available in- and outputs in Logic Express up to 192 KHz, all relevant key commands are available and so on an on...

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Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:31 am

Fred B wrote:
Just to clarify the last bit, it would be nice to know what "almost" means here.

I haven't seen Express myself, but from what I understand the differences I listed are the ONLY differences between Express and Pro.
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:56 pm

Logic Express/Garage band do contain simplified versions of the ES2, EVB3, EVP88, ect.

When I upgraded to Logic Pro7, those sounds were handed off to their big brothers, so there is some sort of patch compatibility between the GB instruments and the Logic Pro instruments.

I was surprised to see they added the ES2.

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Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:35 pm

Here's what you get in LE 8, as found on Gearjunkies.

Logic Express 8 - Included Instruments and effects from Logic Studio:

* Synthesizers

o EFM1 (FM Synth)
o ES E (Ensemble Synth)
o ES M (Monophonic Synth)
o ES P (Polyphonic Synth)
o ES1 Synth (Analog Synth)
o ES2 Synth (Subtractive Synth)
o EVOC20 PS (Vocoder Synth)

* EXS24 Sampler - full version with Editor
* Ultrabeat (Drum Synthesizer/Sampler/Sequencer) MO
* External Instrument plug-in
* Klopfgeist (Metronome Sound Generator)
* Test Oscillator

* All 24 GarageBand instruments

o Analog Basic
o Analog Mono
o Analog Pad
o Analog Swirl
o Analog Sync
o Bass
o Church Organ
o Digital Basic
o Digital Mono
o Digital Stepper
o Drum Kits
o Electric Clav
o Electric Piano
o Guitar
o Horns
o Hybrid Basic
o Hybrid Morph
o Piano
o Sound Effects
o Strings
o Tonewheel Organ
o Tuned Percussion
o Voice
o Woodwind

Included Effects from Logic Studio:

* Amp Modeling

o Bass Amp
o Guitar Amp Pro

* Delay

o Echo
o Sample Delay
o Stereo Delay
o Tape Delay

* Distortion

o Bitcrusher
o Clip Distortion
o Distortion
o Distortion II
o Overdrive
o Phase Distortion

* Dynamics

o Compressor
o DeEsser
o Ducker
o Enveloper
o Expander
o Limiter
o Noise Gate
o Preset Multipressor
o Silver Compressor
o Silver Gate

* EQ

o Channel EQ
o DJ EQ
o Fat EQ
o High Cut
o High Pass Filter
o High Shelving EQ
o Low Cut
o Low Pass Filter
o Low Shelving EQ
o Parametric EQ
o Silver EQ

* Filter

o AutoFilter
o EVOC 20 Filterbank
o EVOC 20 TrackOscillator
o Fuzz-Wah
o Spectral Gate

* Imaging

o Direction Mixer
o Stereo Spread

* Metering

o BPM Counter
o Correlation Meter
o Level Meter
o Tuner

* Modulation

o Chorus
o Ensemble
o Flanger
o Microphaser
o Modulation Delay
o Phaser
o Ringshifter
o Rotor Cabinet
o Scanner Vibrato
o Spreader
o Tremolo

* Pitch

o Pitch Correction
o Pitch Shifter II
o Vocal Transformer

* Reverb

o AVerb
o EnVerb
o GoldVerb
o PlatinumVerb
o SilverVerb

* Specialized

o Denoiser
o Enhance Timing
o Exciter
o Grooveshifter
o Speech Enhancer
o SubBass

* Utilities

o Gain
o I/O
o Test Oscillator
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:50 pm

Hi. There is no clear answer I have found about LE8 being able to sidechain.LE7 couldn't,so wonder if that is still the case...JON