Akitru wrote:I use both, with an external SSD drive dedicated to each. I find Time Machine great for quick examination or recovery of an older version of some file, and use CCC for backing up full images to protect against a serious crash (and also to have an external drive that I can use to boot from a different Mac Mini in case of a disaster that keeps the main Mac Mini in a shop for a while).
I also rotate separate periodic CCC backups to physical SSDs kept in an external site (in case the whole place burns down).
Summary: use both, they are each great for their use cases!
fisherking wrote:you could replace the external site process with an online backup service... just a suggestion.
Akitru wrote:fisherking wrote:you could replace the external site process with an online backup service... just a suggestion.
For security reasons I prefer to limit my use of the cloud for general storage. But I agree it is a good convenient alternative for offsite ('house burned down') if you can get comfortable with the current (and future) data provenance and encyryption.
facej wrote:1. Time Machine backups are not bootable
2. Online backup services are not bootable
I use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone my boot drive and external drive every night. Once a week I take the backup drive off site and retrieve the other backup drive.
I use Time Machine to create incremental backups as usual, so I have my clone from 0300, and incremental as needed. Never more than a week behind.
Yes, I have had all of my computers and backup drives stolen, so I will not do without a bootable backup off site.
My laptops clone to SSD. My "working Mac" clones to 4TB disks.
Backing up is not at all hard, and certainly shouldn't be "set it and forget it". I spend 45 minutes per week swapping out backup drives including taking drives off-site and putting the "other" drives in service. I listen to a podcast while I am doing it.
Ploki wrote:I prefer and use CCC.
- bootable clone and much more useful as such
- don't need versioning, so less space
- i don't do "transfer data" when i reinstall ever
thinking of also buying Crashplan, to have an additional backup off site
crashplan is great; i moved to idrive when CP doubled my yearly rate, but it's a great service (both work, CP is more 'pro')....
MikeRobinson wrote:I like Time Machine because it's built-in and always quietly working. Every now and then you glance down at the external hard drive and see that the light is blinking. You can very easily look through past versions of anything that has been backed up. It also backs up other things like Mail. When I finish making an important change to a project, I click on "Back Up Now" and take a short break while Time Machine does its thing. After I back up my iPhone to my computer, I immediately back up the computer.
Carbon Copy Cloner is really a different beast, and its purpose is exactly what its name implies. External hard drives are ridiculously big and cheap now, so yes you can certainly use both. I do think that CCC is a "best of breed" tool for what it does – which is different from what Time Machine does.
skijumptoes wrote:Time machine is set and forget, very easy to setup and integrates well with MacOS - it's never failed for me personally - but it won't create a boot drive as such, it gives you the option of restoring a boot drive to your SSD/HDD via the MacOS recovery options though.
skijumptoes wrote:So yeah, CCC for a true boot disk clone 100% over time machine. But make sure you have at least a local and external backup to be on the safe side, and at least one you want to be incremental for file rollbacks. Things get trickier when you're archiving out to local disks... as they also should techincally be cloned elsewhere too.
skijumptoes wrote:it gives you the option of restoring a boot drive to your SSD/HDD via the MacOS recovery options though.
Whats do you mean by this sentence in bold?
skijumptoes wrote:But make sure you have at least a local and external backup to be on the safe side, and at least one you want to be incremental for file rollbacks
What do you mean by "local backup"?
By "incremental for file rollbacks" do you mean a backup system that saves previous versions off all files, allowing you to go back to an older version? If that's what you mean, you're essentially saying even if I choose CCC, I do have to use Time Machine or an equivalent system in addition to CCC. Is that right?