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Patches and Subsequent Mixing


courtlaw

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When y'all get to the mixing stage in your project I assume the proper thing to do would be to reset all EQ, Compression and other relevant FX in the patches to zero and then start over as normal so the mix starts fresh and flat --- or are you treating the patch settings as one complete instrument and applying additional EQ and compression as you move forward with the mix?
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Thanks for the reply Eric

 

I'm finally getting around to browsing Logic's stock patch presets, which sound pretty cool, and when I load, lets say a bass patch I like, it may sound good by itself but once you add other instruments to the project I imagine the patch presets will start to lose its intrinsic value because the final mix will determine what compression, EQ , delay, reverb, etc. if any, that initial track patch will need.

 

Does that make any sense?

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It makes sense that the effects used on the patch may or may not work in your mix. However resetting those effects to zero and starting from scratch is unnecessary. You can just tweak as needed. For example, if after adding drums, guitars and vocals, you end up determining that your bass patch is now too compressed for the mix, then lower the ratio a bit.

 

But if it helps you learn to mix, there's nothing wrong with resetting everything and starting from scratch... it just isn't a "rule" that you have to force yourself to follow.

 

Having said that I'm curious if you mean an instrument patch, or an audio patch? I would recommend staying away from audio patches, and instead use plug-ins as needed, and learn how to adjust them. Start with learning EQ and compression, and once you understand how they work, you'll never use an audio patch again.

 

As for instrument patches, I often remove some of the effects right after I load them. For example I'll load a synth patch but remove all reverbs and delays right away. Then I'll start composing, arranging, etc...

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Thanks for the reply Eric

 

I'm finally getting around to browsing Logic's stock patch presets, which sound pretty cool, and when I load, lets say a bass patch I like, it may sound good by itself but once you add other instruments to the project I imagine the patch presets will start to lose its intrinsic value because the final mix will determine what compression, EQ , delay, reverb, etc. if any, that initial track patch will need.

 

Like David said it may make sense.

I often find it better to get rid of the "subtle" reverb and delays that may otherwise cloud the mix.

 

Recording, listening to a compressed sound can have a huge impact on the way you play. For example a very fast attack with a slower release can get your bass notes to swell in a nice way while also swallowing the transients. To compensate for that sound you could unintentionally (but wisely) alter the timing hitting the strings a bit early with your fingers. When you get rid of the compressor you will find that the recording sounds rushed compared to the rest of your material.

 

Similar issues can appear when using a nice feedback-stereo delay on your guitar, à la "The Edge". Getting rid of that kind of delay will just make your recording boring and dull, although you could of course tweak it to better suit the track.

 

EQ can be more forgiving as it is not altering the timing but it totally depends on the implementation.

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