Bounce vs. Export?

[Eric Wikman]

In Cubase SX3:

Export = what you hear is what you get.

Bounce = you get all inserts (usually EQ & Comp stuff)... but no sends etc... in your mixdown file.

 

In Logic they both seem to do almost the same file type, only Bounce seems to have more options.

 

If you use the Export All Tracks, you get everything, which seems to not be what people would want most. It seems this would be good for getting all your files ready to mix down in another studio or whatever.... without verbs delays etc. (sends most of the time). So you have to turn everything off first?

 

Logic does have a 3rd option called "digital mixdown". This is good for bouncing out a comp of a vocals track dry, but there is the issue that it does not give you files that start at bar 1 for easy importing etc. You have to place a piece of audio at bar one.. to get a file that is easy to pass around. Also Digital Mixdown does something called "digital clipscan"... which I can't seem to turn off if I don't want it, and I can't seem to find what it actually does to my audio file. I think it kind of normalizes????

 

How do people use these for different situations?

[nebula]

Digital Mixdown is simply the the use of the "glue tool" to mix simultaneous audio regions in the Arrange window. It's been there since Logic Audio 2.5.

 

Essentially it sums the selected regions, then the "digital clip scan" is to make sure the resulting sum isn't too hot for your current bit depth. If it is, it will do a gain reduction so that the loudest peak is 100%. You can't disable that.

 

If the resulting summed audio does not exceed your available headroom, the digital clip scan will find nothing, and not touch your resulting file.

 

Digital Mixdown respects track levels and pans. I doubt it follows automation, but ... who knows, it may.

 

It used to be that the "digital mixdown" was the only way to get Logic to mix stuff faster than real-time.

[Eric Wikman]

Great to know those details!

 

Now I know how it will behave better when using it... which I do a lot after putting together vocal comps to send out accapellas.

thanks very much.

[TC]

I did some test comparing Bouncing X Digital Mixdown X Export track as Audio. I found out that Export track as audio is the best option concerning audio quality (at least here in my system)

 

http://logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=10669

[Eric Wikman]

I did some test comparing Bouncing X Digital Mixdown X Export track as Audio. I found out that Export track as audio is the best option concerning audio quality (at least here in my system)

 

http://logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=10669

 

Yes, I read your other post. Interesting. they should all be the same, but maybe not.

Do you know my good friend DJ Meme?... he's from Rio though.

[Eric Wikman]

How do people "bounce" all their tracks "dry"... for taking to another studio.. wiithout having to bypass all the effects?

[T.Maclaine]

How do people "bounce" all their tracks "dry"... for taking to another studio.. wiithout having to bypass all the effects?

 

I'm anxiously awaiting a response to this question. I had to figure out a rather crude way of doing this last year for a project recorded in Logic but mixed in another program. I basically first set all tracks to unity gain, pans at C and took off any fx if there were any. I then highlighted all tracks and executed a "freeze." The process then created a freeze folder and all my files were in there but here's the kicker and one of the quirks about Logic I don't care much for. The freeze created 32bit files from my 24 bit session. Not too crazy about that. There has to be an easier way then what I had to do, as I know what I did isn't the "norm." The only thing I liked about the procedure was that Logic created a new folder which made tracking down the files easy.

 

Please explain the proper way to export a full song (I'm only really concerned about "audio" files at this point) for future ref. thanks

[Eric Wikman]

How do people "bounce" all their tracks "dry"... for taking to another studio.. wiithout having to bypass all the effects?

 

I'm anxiously awaiting a response to this question. I had to figure out a rather crude way of doing this last year for a project recorded in Logic but mixed in another program. I basically first set all tracks to unity gain, pans at C and took off any fx if there were any. I then highlighted all tracks and executed a "freeze." The process then created a freeze folder and all my files were in there but here's the kicker and one of the quirks about Logic I don't care much for. The freeze created 32bit files from my 24 bit session. Not too crazy about that. There has to be an easier way then what I had to do, as I know what I did isn't the "norm." The only thing I liked about the procedure was that Logic created a new folder which made tracking down the files easy.

 

Please explain the proper way to export a full song (I'm only really concerned about "audio" files at this point) for future ref. thanks

 

Well, after you zeroed everything out and turned off all plugs... you were actually ready to use the "export all tracks" then .. i think.

I just don't want to have to un-set everything like that, if possible.

[JPZ]

Does the glue tool do this? Also, I thought I saw a merge regions somewhere. Maybe that's the glue tool. I thought a while back I came across a way like duplicate or consolidate in PT where you didn't have to zero everything out. Maybe I'm nuts though.

[Eric Wikman]

The glue tool does, but it doesn't start from bar 1 .. or locators.

And it kind of defeats the whole "export every track while we go to dinner function"... that everyone drools over... on the Cubase forum.

They want it too, but it seems kind of limited with Logic, since it can't do it dry.

which is the way most people would want files done.

Of course not all the time though.

[JPZ]

Right, that was the problem. Now I remember that I worked around it by putting an empty region starting at bar 1 so it glued it as a whole track. Not as good as PT for this but much better than zeroing everything out.