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Just wanted to open a discussion on whether anyone has any speculation, or insider info on STP 2's new Compressor Circuit Types.

 

I'm interested in receiving input on what people may think or know which compressors Apple has based them on.

 

These are the different types.

 

Platinum, Classic A_R, Classic A_U, VCA, FET, and Opto

 

Now it's obvious Platinum is their legacy algorithm, but according to their documentation even that was based on real world gear.

 

Opto is obviously an optical compressor, but which one??

 

The Classic A types I'm assuming are based on Class A valve designs where, I'm speculating further that the U may stand for Urei and R possibly for RME. But even if this is true, we still don't know which models...

 

ANd of course it's not mentioned anywhere in STP 2's manual or on Apple's website, otherwise I wouldn't be here. Many companies do this kind of thing where they give their modelled algorithms a generic name to avoid copyright or trademark infringement.

 

Ultimately, not knowing isn't going to effect out ability to do our job well in any way. It's just purely a fact of curiosity. And if we were in the know then we all could read up on info regarding the real world counterparts and learn some amazing tips from other pros in the field using the real thing.

 

What's your take on the new Compressor Circuit Types??

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I looked around a bit and discovered that RME don't actually make compressors, not as such anyway.

 

But there were signs of vintage RCA stuff, or perhaps the R in Classic_R stands for Rupert Neve so as not to get confused with the other "Neve" company out there.

 

UREI was actually an old trading name for Universal Audio that we know of today.

 

So it is conceivable that the U in Classic_U represents one of theirs, and perhaps David is right with the Opto compressor as well.

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I wish!! :shock:

 

But I expect they will be good!!... Just remember that Logic's developers are usually ahead in the game and have introduced alot of new technology and concepts in the past that many others have emulated.

 

Granted alot of this tech is getting a bit dated and some may even be surpassed by other platforms and developers, but when was the last time Logic underwent a major upgrade??... I think it's got to be around 5 years!!

 

I have faith that the new Logic will be kick ass, as with it's new Compressor Circuit Types... They may not reach the standard of some of the more boutique plugins, but that's because they often have to trade off a little quality for lower processor overhead.

 

Logic doesn't have the privilege of having a dedicated DSP board for it's plugins...so you have to expect some compromises.

 

But when it comes down to it, the audience won't even know the difference... and that's what REALLY matters.

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The five logic 8 compressor types imo are:

 

Class A_R = Rupert Neve's vintage 33609 compressor

Class A_U = Vari-MU, where U represents symbol for greek letter pronounced "MU" ie. VARI-MU (famous Vari-MU compressor - Fairchild 670)

 

U doesn't stand for UREI but stands for "MU" in Vari-MU compression.

 

Opto - LA2A (teletronix)

FET - 1176 (Urei)

VCA - SSL bus compressor or Dbx 160

Plantinum - Clean digital compressor. (no harmonic generation)

 

With these 5 types, logic 8 compressor gives a selected overview of past famous compressors.

 

I believe UAD also has the same emulations of Neve 33609, Fairchild 670 (vari-mu), LA2A, 1176, VCA VU (dbx 160)

 

It only seems logical that great companies like apple and UAD, Waves, URS, MOTU, etc. offer us exactly the same/similar things....doesn't it?

 

Logic 8's compressor looks very versatile and offers exactly what UAD offers but cost much less. With a modern 8 core G5, you're left with ooooodles of CPU power.

 

Also note that logic states that it uses 64 bit precision "where required". My guess is that Logic 8's compressor Internal audio resolution is indeed 64-bit precision where it's required. and that puts it in the same resolution as WAVES RENcomp (native version).

 

Why doesn't Logic just bite the bullet and re-state the obvious so we can all stop guessing. Not a very good way to market a product when you're strengths are not confirmed/agreed/known by all.

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Thanks for your input.

 

At least it gives me another impression of what they are modeled after, and therefore, a clearer understanding of it's characteristics.

 

If only Apple was more forthcoming it could reduce the amount of time devoted to stabbing around in the dark. It takes the same approach with it's Guitar Amp Pro plugin.

 

I realise that knowing exact models may be of no consequence to the novice, the more experienced have an understanding of what to expect from certain types of gear. Therefore we can take a more educated approach and leave out the trial and error than many of us don't have the time for.

 

At the very least, if they want to avoid trademark issues, they could use names that are alot more obvious.

 

Logic really needs alot more thought and effort put into it's marketing aspects, confusing the user with endless intrigue is certainly not the best method.

 

Well known names sell.

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