Piano roll won't show selected region content inside folders

[whinecellarstudio]

For tracks inside folders (not track stacks - actual folders): when you select a region, opening a piano roll window shows the folder level and “no regions selected” in the inspector, as opposed to the selected region content as it should. You then have to open a *second* piano roll to show the selected region’s content. Selecting a region and opening an editor should ALWAYS show that region’s contents...

[Jordi Torres]

For tracks inside folders (not track stacks - actual folders): when you select a region, opening a piano roll window shows the folder level and “no regions selected” in the inspector, as opposed to the selected region content as it should.

 

I guess you mean "opening the piano roll in the editors area", because if I open an actual piano roll window in the scenario you mention, I see the contents of the region just fine. However, if I open the piano roll in the editors area (bottom of the screen), I do get the behavior you describe ("no regions selected"), but...

 

You then have to open a *second* piano roll to show the selected region’s content. Selecting a region and opening an editor should ALWAYS show that region’s contents...

 

...all I have to do to see the content is to click the selected region.

 

J.

[whinecellarstudio]

Nope, just what I typed: the behavior I described is when opening a separate piano roll window - not editor. And again, the issue doesn't occur on the top level of the arrange window - this is only for regions inside older-style folders - not track stacks.

 

There are a lot of bugs when using folders, and thankfully Apple is aware of them and interested in fixing them - they've asked for sample sessions, etc. Hoping for a fix in the next sub- release

[Jordi Torres]

Cool, but I'm not getting that behavior here. Maybe it's related to certain versions of OSX (I tested it on 10.9.5)?

 

And again, the issue doesn't occur on the top level of the arrange window - this is only for regions inside older-style folders - not track stacks.

 

Yeah, I got that the first time around and tested with folders, specifically.

 

J.

[Jordi Torres]

OK, got to reproduce your issue: Had to open the piano roll window using the key command.

 

So here's the workaround for you:

 

Open the piano roll window by option-double-clicking the region.

 

J.

[whinecellarstudio]

OK, got to reproduce your issue: Had to open the piano roll window using the key command.

 

So here's the workaround for you:

 

Open the piano roll window by option-double-clicking the region.

 

Yep, that works, but it's a step backward and a real pain that adds up over a long day of editing, especially when you're used to working really fast with key commands

 

Appreciate you looking into it - thank you! This is one the dev team asked about, so I know it's on their radar...

[sambosun]

I personally find the Region Folder feature still timeless.

It saves a lot of hassle to separate and clean up a project.

I hope they are looking into the related issues.

 

here is another one:

 

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=123202&p=629899#p629899

[whinecellarstudio]

I personally find the Region Folder feature still timeless.

It saves a lot of hassle to separate and clean up a project.

I hope they are looking into the related issues.

 

Agreed. I tried changing my whole scoring template over to track stacks, but it ended up being a LOT more clicking around to navigate. My template is over 700 tracks, but with the old-style folders I have a screen set for each one so getting around is really fast. There's a crucial key command needed for track stacks: "close containing track stack" for any track selected. As it is now, you first have to select the track stack header to close a track stack. Kinda blows the whole thing without that, IMO.

 

Anyway, they are indeed looking into these issues, presumably because a lot of people still use folders. There are some MAJOR bugs involving folders. so hopefully they get squashed quickly.

[sambosun]

I personally find the Region Folder feature still timeless.

It saves a lot of hassle to separate and clean up a project.

I hope they are looking into the related issues.

 

Agreed. I tried changing my whole scoring template over to track stacks, but it ended up being a LOT more clicking around to navigate. My template is over 700 tracks, but with the old-style folders I have a screen set for each one so getting around is really fast. There's a crucial key command needed for track stacks: "close containing track stack" for any track selected. As it is now, you first have to select the track stack header to close a track stack. Kinda blows the whole thing without that, IMO.

 

Anyway, they are indeed looking into these issues, presumably because a lot of people still use folders. There are some MAJOR bugs involving folders. so hopefully they get squashed quickly.

 

I forwarded these issues when you reported that over at vic. I personally use folders on any kind of project.

I use it to create alternative arrangements and like you for orchestral stuff as well. The track stack workflow is still not that elegant like folders. I mean still 3 years later you can't easily pack summing stacks into folder stacks or vice Versace with a key command.

 

Folder stacks can't be saved like summing stacks etc. Region folders are still great to pack all muted regions or again to create alternative arrangements within a project.

 

I wish they would implement better track visibility management options beside the 32 assignable groups where only 9 are assignable to key commands.