zambra Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Logic Pro X 10.2.2 ? How Long 6 Months for the Update and Most Important the fixes.. I Really Hope This Time Apple don't Take that Long.. and Most Important Bugs fixed... Let's Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 this is apple; an update will come whenever it comes, no use waiting. meanwhile, 10.2.1 seems (so far) a little better in the latest el capitan beta (10.11.4beta4), hopefully a good sign. whatever else is true, i'm getting my work done without issue (except an occasional overload, sigh....and sometimes have to freeze tracks). but just finished mixing an album, and no crashes, or excessive weirdness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zambra Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 yes I don't wait I work on new albums all the time.. 6 in 5 months,, but What I am talking about is the lack of Updates in Logic Pro X Lately more when it is Filled with Bugs all the crashes.. strange faders move.. mutes.. etc etc etc.. it is concerning if you work with logic and Trust apple and you are starting to think in Other's DAWS.. and try out .. but learn again a new Daw can be very Frustrating. so You Start To NOT to Trust Apple anymore. SAD for them because when you Break That Trust from the Root like their are doing.. They will obviously lose customers and money and trust.. and that Trust is very hard to Buy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 am not having any critical issues here. and apple updates logic slowly (and without warning), just as they always have. for now, you might want to look into the specific issues you're having, see if there are fixes...or workarounds. what version of logic? and what OS are you running?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zambra Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Yosemite 10.10.5, Logic Pro X 10.2.1, imac i7, Too Many Bugs. too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Ahh, I think you're being unfair to the Logic team here. 10.2.1 is only a little more than one month old. It had A LOT of new features, unfortunately also a string of bugs. I hope many of those get resolved in the first coming update, and I really don't think it is so far away. I think we'll see an update within the next three weeks or so. You could always go back to 10.2.0 until that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar17166 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 As I would normally say: - Lots of new features and lots of new feature-bugs (i.e. bugs in the new features) is completely understandable. - bugs that affect legacy functions (i.e. things that used to work before), or general stability, should take a priority and perhaps lead to a separate quick fix/release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I'm keen for this too. But seriously - go back to 10.2.0 and forget about the 10.2.1 features and issues for now, then when a new update comes out, give that a try. In my experience usually they do fix the majority of niggles from the previous update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redgreenblue Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 And not to pile on, but there is a lot of value in waiting to update, let other people discover the problems. This is especially true if one is not the kind of user who can work around bugs and/or in the middle of a project. I'm just finishing up an album and despite being an IT person in my day job and pretty good at dealing with this stuff, there is no way on earth I would update my main machine until the album is done. I get the feeling that there is a major rewrite coming, like a completely different version. I don't know anyone involved, I don't actually know anything for sure, but the tea leaves have me thinking there is a big change coming which could explain the lack of updates of some existing graphics and other issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I get the feeling that there is a major rewrite coming, like a completely different version. LPX already is a fairly major rewrite of the front end. If you think there is going to be a new pro audio app to replace Logic, written from the ground up, by the Logic team, while they've also been reworking Logic 9 -> LPX, and are still in that transition (eg, the plugin overhauls are only part-way done) then I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think Logic is going away for some time - it will just continue to evolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 And not to pile on, but there is a lot of value in waiting to update, let other people discover the problems. This is especially true if one is not the kind of user who can work around bugs and/or in the middle of a project. I'm just finishing up an album and despite being an IT person in my day job and pretty good at dealing with this stuff, there is no way on earth I would update my main machine until the album is done. I get the feeling that there is a major rewrite coming, like a completely different version. I don't know anyone involved, I don't actually know anything for sure, but the tea leaves have me thinking there is a big change coming which could explain the lack of updates of some existing graphics and other issues. i love gaining new features, options...challenges. so (and the people who know me on this forum know this); when there's an update, i update. have never regretted that (altho i've gotten my ass kicked a few times); i always get my work done (and i work a lot). whatever works. whether you're on logic 9, or the latest logic X...it's the music that matters. some crave stability, others...new stuff, challenges. the point is (i believe) to have fun (and i do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 For me, LPX has been almost flawless (minus the minor niggle here and there) since i got rid of Yosemite, and moved to El Cap and put an SSD in my machine as the main drive. I don't know whether more Yosemite / LPX 10.2.1 users get issues than El Cap 10.2.1 users or not? , but it may be something the OP considers if it truly is becoming a pain for them. This feels like i'm back with the stability that was Snow Leopard and Logic 9, only now with a far more advanced Logic at my disposal - Couldn't be happier right now. Also, in my view i think the Logic team are hitting hard and fast. Improved compressors, Alchemy addition, better compensation, the graphical fixes, adding Roli support to plugins etc. So many good inclusions that hit both core fundamentals and new ideas/technologies have happened within the past 12 months. I just don't accept that their rollouts have been, and are currently, slow - i remember sitting with LP9 wondering what an earth was going to happen as there was no movement whatsoever on it for what felt an eternity. I was weeks away from moving to another DAW and then LPX dropped out of the blue, that was met with some disappointment from current users and i did start to wonder if it was just all makeup, and a change of colour as a lot were suggesting. However, Now we're starting to see everything put into place, i'm super pleased that i never left Logic. As a song creator, it's such a great tool for coming up with ideas and also to be able to get them down quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redgreenblue Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I get the feeling that there is a major rewrite coming, like a completely different version. I don't think Logic is going away for some time - it will just continue to evolve. I'm actually quite fine with that, I work well with Logic and am not eager to have to learn a new platform. And I do SO MUCH in the environment that I never want that to go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I don't know whether more Yosemite / LPX 10.2.1 users get issues than El Cap 10.2.1 users or not? Dunno but the major issues in 10.2.1 that affect me are Logic issues, not OS-related ones - actual Logic features that are broken in Logic, regardless of the OS - so all we can do is stay on 10.2.0 and wait and hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anp27 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 i remember sitting with LP9 wondering what an earth was going to happen as there was no movement whatsoever on it for what felt an eternity. +1 Thank God those days seem to be gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zambra Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 in the end.. it is very very frustrating.. if apple wants to keep custumers happy they will without a Doubt have to work harder no matter what. and Updates at Least every Month not every 6 Months.. why? because Logic Pro X 10.2.1 is very very very filled with Bugs.. loading old projects ... creating strange notes.... sustains.. faders moving.. mutes.. on off channels.. crashes.. more crashes..man.. this is hell for some of us.. so It is a FACT that Logic Pro X Theme is failing not gaining Right Now This Days.. not the Future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 if apple wants to keep custumers happy they will without a Doubt have to work harder no matter what. and Updates at Least every Month not every 6 Months.. Apple will do what Apple does, in it's own timescale, for it's own reasons. It doesn't seem to be doing too badly, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they know what they're doing - whether any of us like it or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zambra Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 if apple wants to keep custumers happy they will without a Doubt have to work harder no matter what. and Updates at Least every Month not every 6 Months.. Apple will do what Apple does, in it's own timescale, for it's own reasons. It doesn't seem to be doing too badly, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they know what they're doing - whether any of us like it or not! Apple is Failing Now. No Doubt about it. Like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 in the end.. it is very very frustrating.. if apple wants to keep custumers happy they will without a Doubt have to work harder no matter what. and Updates at Least every Month not every 6 Months.. why? because Logic Pro X 10.2.1 is very very very filled with Bugs..loading old projects ... creating strange notes.... sustains.. faders moving.. mutes.. on off channels.. crashes.. more crashes..man.. this is hell for some of us.. so It is a FACT that Logic Pro X Theme is failing not gaining Right Now This Days.. not the Future. you need to investigate these problems, not everyone is having them. i just finished mixing an album in 10.2.1, and a remix. no crashes. no strange notes. your issues are significant, and need to be addressed. but they're not global. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelonyc Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I don't update mac OSX or Logic Pro for a while.. I wait for others to do the dirty beta testing work.. I waited over a year before going from Logic 9 to Logic X... When you're doing important projects, it[s not a good idea to 'jump stream' in the middle of it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zambra Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 in the end.. it is very very frustrating.. if apple wants to keep custumers happy they will without a Doubt have to work harder no matter what. and Updates at Least every Month not every 6 Months.. why? because Logic Pro X 10.2.1 is very very very filled with Bugs..loading old projects ... creating strange notes.... sustains.. faders moving.. mutes.. on off channels.. crashes.. more crashes..man.. this is hell for some of us.. so It is a FACT that Logic Pro X Theme is failing not gaining Right Now This Days.. not the Future. you need to investigate these problems, not everyone is having them. i just finished mixing an album in 10.2.1, and a remix. no crashes. no strange notes. your issues are significant, and need to be addressed. but they're not global. yea.. not global but a lot of users are having the same problems.. some more some less.. so it is not just the system but logic too.. Yes I finishing 6 albums in 5 months.. Too.. I ust get use to the Crashes .. and strange BUGS and keep going just like the rest BUT .. I think angelonyc is Right ... It is Not a STABLE App At All, and I cannot recomend it anymore.. anfer I Finish This Albums I will Get Back to Logic 9 or switch to Cubase or Studio One 3.. Tired of this.. Studio One 3 and Cubase are Much more is table but I am still learning from scratch so it is a PAIN.. wasted Years in This Silly App I am Tired of It.. The Worst Part is That I Buyed a iMac just because of Logic stupid right?.. well Now I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonparadise Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I can assure you that Cubase has just as many, if not more, bugs and stability issues. It has some great features, but sadly half of them don't work properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Cubase can be shockingly bad at times! Studio One looks good though, not sure if it can handle the load that Logic can, Logic is incredibly efficient on the CPU in my experience, so worth bearing in mind if you use a lot of plugins. Why not just roll back to a stable version of Logic though? Would be far easier, surely. If you're getting odd notes sustaining, crashes and faders moving by themselves then it suggests to me that you've got some midi devices causing you problems? You got much external gear that could cause this? i.e. maybe a control surface isn't set up correctly? Are you an experienced user, what i mean by that is that you're not also struggling with automation are you? No offence if you are experienced, even after years of Logic i still get caught out by automation which i thought i had previously deleted, and this even applies to missing sustain events that can throw a track out at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Logic has been very stable here for a long time. Haven't had a single crash with 10.2 or 10.2.1. Something just caught my eye from the OP though "creating strange notes". I have had this happen quite a few times. Not exatcly sure what causes it but it always results in about 5 or 6 notes spread out over 1-2 octaves, very short notes, created in the region you just had active. Will try to grab a screenshot of it when it happens next. It's a little annoying but thankfully doesn't happen too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zambra Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Trying Cubase now Yeap Much Much more stable in fact.. same plugins.. Yeap I like it even more Logic Pro X 10.2.1 is a Dissaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Trying Cubase now Yeap Much Much more stable in fact.. same plugins.. Yeap I like it even moreLogic Pro X 10.2.1 is a Dissaster. No probs here. Solid as always. Must be your specific setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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